[jim1]

Hey guys, have you seen this ? It's in the breaking news section on yahoo, but I am not sure what's going on.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/canada-with...212835999.html

[mattatmac]

Before this gets into a ridiculous debate about current politics in Canada, I'd like to ask the question "Does anyone take the Kyoto Protocol seriously?"

It doesn't seem like anyone's been following it since its inception.

[jim1]

Originally Posted by mattatmac

"Does anyone take the Kyoto Protocol seriously?"

It doesn't seem like anyone's been following it since its inception.

Not really, I don't follow politics at all.

[Snowman]

Canada lost any chance of following it once oil prices spiked and the tar sands became heavily invested in. There was little chance in following it, im surprised they didnt pull out sooner

[drpatel]

yeah i agree, once money started being pumped-literally, pumped-into Alberta and the oil sands people just gave up. Still, after all this stuff goin on, people don't take climate change or anything like that seriously, so ofcourse they won't take kyoto seriously either

bottom line, if the people were more educated that the environment-y'know, the place we live-is more important than the economy, they'd step in and say something

[Misspolitics]

I am on holidays now, but I will say one thing: it's about time. The Kyoto protocol was aimed at the wrong people to begin with (along with other problems) people also need to support themselves and their families, and the only way to do this is to have a stable economy. If they want to go after polluters, then talk to the countries that were not part of Kyoto and stop going after countries like Canada. We have to support our economic well being first. Have a great holiday everyone

[EngStud]

Global warming caused mainly by carbon emission is a myth.

The reason why the Earth is getting warmer is because of an increase solar activity. Just go on spaceweather.com and you'll see the increase of solar flares during the past 10 years.

Even if it wasn't a myth... Kyoto protocol goes agaisnt Canada's national interests.

[Chevalier]

im not surprised at all but at the same time a bit disappointed. if im not mistaken Canada was one of the first to sign the protocol, though a bit late in ratifying it. i honestly don't see the point of even starting something unless your going to finish it, but then again the current times make it very hard for us to continue, and rather than being seen as failures, who still tried, we quit. oh well

[drpatel]

Originally Posted by EngStud

Global warming caused mainly by carbon emission is a myth.

The reason why the Earth is getting warmer is because of an increase solar activity. Just go on spaceweather.com and you'll see the increase of solar flares during the past 10 years.

Even if it wasn't a myth... Kyoto protocol goes agaisnt Canada's national interests.

seriously?? If you haven't watching an Inconvenient Truth, i suggest you go watch it.

[EngStud]

Originally Posted by drpatel

seriously?? If you haven't watching an Inconvenient Truth, i suggest you go watch it.

If it does not explain how an increase in solar flares does not relate to an increase in temperature, I am not watching it.

[oakster15]

Canada never ratified the treaty. The fact that its pulling out now is just a formalization of that really. We may have been one of the first to sign onto it (I'm not sure about that) but it was a poorly executed plan to begin with. It was missing many of the biggest producers (The USA), which means it likely wasn't going anywhere. The Chretien Liberals signed it, never did anything about it, and when Harper got elected in 2006 it didn't stand a chance.

Canada has committed to initiatives with the US to reduce emissions rates, even though they are far less drastic than the provisions of Kyoto.

[Alchemist11]

Originally Posted by EngStud

Global warming caused mainly by carbon emission is a myth.

The reason why the Earth is getting warmer is because of an increase solar activity. Just go on spaceweather.com and you'll see the increase of solar flares during the past 10 years.

Even if it wasn't a myth... Kyoto protocol goes agaisnt Canada's national interests.

With about 8 seconds of Googling:



"Aside from the fact that solar effects cannot physically explain the recent global warming, as with GCRs, there are several empirical observations which solar warming could not account for. For example, if global warming were due to increased solar output, we would expect to see all layers of the atmosphere warm, and more warming during the day when the surface is bombarded with solar radiation than at night. Instead we observe a cooling of the upper atmosphere and greater warming at night, which are fingerprints of the increased greenhouse effect."

From some "Huber and Knutti study":
Since 1950, the volcanic forcing has been negative due to a few significant eruptions, and has offset the modestly positive solar forcing, such that the net natural external forcing contribution to global warming over the past 50 years is approximately zero (more specifically, the authors estimate the natural forcing contribution since 1950 at -10 to +13%, with a most likely value of 1%).
Their words: "Even for a reconstruction with high variability in total irradiance, solar forcing contributed only about 0.07°C (0.03-0.13°C) to the warming since 1950."

http://www.skepticalscience.com/sola...g-advanced.htm

I haven't verified this data or anything but if anything is a myth it seems like this whole sunflare idea is.

EDIT: This is the article:
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v.../ngeo1327.html

From the abstract: We find that since the mid-twentieth century, greenhouse gases contributed 0.85 °C of warming (5–95% uncertainty: 0.6–1.1 °C), about half of which was offset by the cooling effects of aerosols, with a total observed change in global temperature of about 0.56 °C.

Our method is complementary to optimal fingerprinting attribution and produces fully consistent results, thus suggesting an even higher confidence that human-induced causes dominate the observed warming.

It's in ****ing Nature, and you're telling me these researchers are wrong and you're right by using "spaceweather.com" as your only argument?

[ZSimon]

I'm 18-22 years old and I go to university. This qualifies me to set tax rates for successful entrepreneurs, redefine the complete infrastructure of the USA, decide whether or not a drug that makes people lazy should be legal or illegal, and override decisions made by individuals who spend their lives around a subject and use billions of dollars in research to form aforementioned decisions.

[EngStud]

Originally Posted by ZSimon

I'm 18-22 years old and I go to university. This qualifies me to set tax rates for successful entrepreneurs, redefine the complete infrastructure of the USA, decide whether or not a drug that makes people lazy should be legal or illegal, and override decisions made by individuals who spend their lives around a subject and use billions of dollars in research to form aforementioned decisions.

In a democracy, you are completly qualified. If many eligible voters agree on one thing, then they can go and put their choice on the ballot.

Even if Global warming is totally caused by C02 emission the very molecule we breathe out and in... It still is not in Canada's national interest. We need the oil sands to create more job and boost the economy.

It is unpatriotic to vote agaisnt oil sands project. My party, the NDP, has completly Failed when it comes to that issue.

[BlakeM]

Originally Posted by EngStud

In a democracy, you are completly qualified.

You can't be serious.