Originally Posted by Taunton

I wish students cared more about important things in general.

I seriously believe that if more TA's showed up (esp. the undergrads) we may have seen a different outcome.

It's unfortunate that they called it on such short notice because I had explicitly planned out my weekend:

Saturday: Take the siblings trick or treating
Sunday: Work on my assignment (due tomorrow)

By the time I found it, it was late Saturday night...and as much as I wanted to support this cause, I couldn't neglect my own studies. Not to mention, it was All Saints Day.


I definitely think there would have been a different voice if more notice were given...what, 300 votes were cast, ish? Out of 2000 ish? 15% voter turnout is pretty pitiful...particularl y since the TAs who are angry and want to strike are probably like 10x more likely to show up.

Not to sound like I'm not serious about this but, to slightly lighten the mood: 3 days boys and girls... REMEMBER.. REMEMBER.. The FIFTH of NovEMBER! (Oh how fitting a story that is to this situation)

Originally Posted by mike_302

Not to sound like I'm not serious about this but, to slightly lighten the mood: 3 days boys and girls... REMEMBER.. REMEMBER.. The FIFTH of NovEMBER! (Oh how fitting a story that is to this situation)

I don't understand. Are you going to try to blow something up?

ahahaha, nono. I am talking about the REAL idea behind the story: Large crowds of the people need to stand up for what they believe in for democracy to work. Or, if the MAJORITY of TA's went to work tomorrow, then the union can't fight for anything. It will be forced to give up it's one-track mind on "strike only", and either take a vote, or go ahead and accept the latest agreement by the school.

Originally Posted by mike_302

ahahaha, nono. I am talking about the REAL idea behind the story: Large crowds of the people need to stand up for what they believe in for democracy to work. Or, if the MAJORITY of TA's went to work tomorrow, then the union can't fight for anything. It will be forced to give up it's one-track mind on "strike only", and either take a vote, or go ahead and accept the latest agreement by the school.

Was that an Obama reference (with the 5th)?

Originally Posted by goodnews.inc

Was that an Obama reference (with the 5th)?

V for Vendetta...which involved an uprising. (He's saying there should be an uprising on campus...which is why it's fitting).

bbahaha, you said uprising not me

Originally Posted by Taunton

Oh, and Callen, I believe you owe the MSU VP Education an apology, as he had his facts 100% straight from the beginning.

No I won't apologize because he did not have his facts straight. A vote on the final offer did not and could not have happened. A motion was brought to consider a ratification vote on the offer at a later time. The VP Ed made it seem in his statement that the membership could be voting on the actual agreement and that strike action could be averted because of this.

Originally Posted by Mowicz

V for Vendetta...which involved an uprising. (He's saying there should be an uprising on campus...which is why it's fitting).

Which is (loosely) based on the actual events of the Gunpowder Plot in England in 1605. Guy Fawkes (which is the mask that V wears in V for Vendetta) along with other conspirators tried to blow up the houses of Parliament, but were caught. There's still celebrations on Guy Fawkes Night, or Bonfire Night (Nov 5) today, with Guys being burnt in effigy.

Originally Posted by .:callen:.

No I won't apologize.

Whatever. It's your loss.

Originally Posted by Taunton

Whatever. It's your loss.

I really don't see how its my loss at all. I contacted Chris about it and he apologized.

Taunton, you really need to stop being so inflammatory. Of course it's perfectly fine to have your opinion but you don't have to be so insulting about the way you convey your points.

This is especially bad since you're an SRA member and when you speak on these forums you speak as a representative of the MSU and your constituents. By all means, convey your opinion, its great for fostering debate but don't be so condescending towards the other side and don't insult people who don't share your opinion.

Originally Posted by .:callen:.

Taunton, you really need to stop being so inflammatory. Of course it's perfectly fine to have your opinion but you don't have to be so insulting about the way you convey your points.

This is especially bad since you're an SRA member and when you speak on these forums you speak as a representative of the MSU and your constituents. By all means, convey your opinion, its great for fostering debate but don't be so condescending towards the other side and don't insult people who don't share your opinion.

Thanks for your opinion. It's noted.

I've recieved plenty of support for my opinions and the way I'm doing my job, especially concerning the strike. I will not be changing the way that I work.

Thanks though.

http://www.mcmaster.ca/senate/student/stoppage.htm

Originally Posted by .:callen:.

No I won't apologize because he did not have his facts straight. A vote on the final offer did not and could not have happened. A motion was brought to consider a ratification vote on the offer at a later time. The VP Ed made it seem in his statement that the membership could be voting on the actual agreement and that strike action could be averted because of this.

A vote on whether or not to have an official ratification vote may not be exactly the same but it is just as important and very similar. It stands to reason that all those who voted against having a ratification vote voted this way because they don't like the University's offer and don't want it accepted. Those who voted for a ratification vote it stands to reason may want to accept the offer and thus voted to give themselves and others the opportunity to do so. Its simply a matter of wording that you blew out of proportion and make accusations based on.

Stop telling other people not to be inflammatory when you're just as bad if not worse, you're just on the opposite side of the fence is all.