Originally Posted by Allan

not Osama Bin Laden's death.

To you, perhaps. But the concept of death on its own IS a tragedy. And don't get me started on how he was killed.. Being a Muslim, who hated what happened on 9/11, I do NOT think he should've died that way. Why was Saddam handed over to the Iraqi authorities but not Bin Laden... :S

/rant

Originally Posted by julianface

I didn't come to this thread to take anything away from Steve Jobs I'm just standing up for Jack Layton.

I didn't say it doesn't have an impact on quality of life I'm saying Apple provides luxuries which I don't think are as important as necessities that politicians campaign for.

And thanks for the personal attack that really supports your case.

Luxouries are the driving force behind the evolution of technological advancement; party leaders are representatives of groups of people who have similar interest, who all have contributions to make. From a purely quantitative standpoint, as an individual, Steve Jobs made more of an impact on society, whereas Jack Layton was just a person apart of a group, (a great, irreplaceable person).

Although this isn't really something you can compare, considering the values being considered aren't even easily compariable. (politics, policy, and people vs technology, innovation, society/culture impact)

Originally Posted by ~*Sara*~

To you, perhaps. But the concept of death on its own IS a tragedy. And don't get me started on how he was killed.. Being a Muslim, who hated what happened on 9/11, I do NOT think he should've died that way. Why was Saddam handed over to the Iraqi authorities but not Bin Laden... :S

/rant

And which Country or Authority would you have handed him over to? Afghanistan? Pakistan?...Even the Saudis no longer wanted to be associated with him.

Saddam ended up being hung anyways. I'm not a muslim, but I'm pretty sure that's against your religion or any religion. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Also during that military operation, the Americans were being fired upon. In those situations, you shoot first and ask questions later. We can debate whether it was right for the Americans to enter Pakistan without their permission, but what's done is done, and the world is a better place without Osama Bin Laden. Only the rednecks in the middle east would have you believe something different.

Wow please can we not get into a debate over politics in this thead?

Be a little more respectful.

Originally Posted by MichaelScarn

Wow please can we not get into a debate over politics in this thead?

Be a little more respectful.

You're right, thanks. I got a little carried away when Bin Laden was mentioned out of nowhere :/.

iPhone 4Steve

I like how a steve jobs memorial thread turned into bin laden crazy town...

Originally Posted by Allan

And which Country or Authority would you have handed him over to? Afghanistan? Pakistan?...Even the Saudis no longer wanted to be associated with him.

Saddam ended up being hung anyways. I'm not a muslim, but I'm pretty sure that's against your religion or any religion. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Also during that military operation, the Americans were being fired upon. In those situations, you shoot first and ask questions later. We can debate whether it was right for the Americans to enter Pakistan without their permission, but what's done is done, and the world is a better place without Osama Bin Laden. Only the rednecks in the middle east would have you believe something different.

and the rednecks in america, would believe exactly what you believe.

(implying that you are a redneck just in case it wasn't clear)

Originally Posted by stever

and the rednecks in america, would believe exactly what you believe.

(implying that you are a redneck just in case it wasn't clear)

Yes...I'm a redneck.

How about offering some constructive insight instead of name calling? You're in University now.

Originally Posted by Allan

Yes...I'm a redneck.

How about offering some constructive insight instead of name calling? You're in University now.

actually I completely agree with your first two points, but I don't care who you are how dare you infiltrate a country without permission in this day and age, that seems to just be swept under the rug.

Originally Posted by stever

actually I completely agree with your first two points, but I don't care who you are how dare you infiltrate a country without permission in this day and age, that seems to just be swept under the rug.

But you also have to remember said country had proven itself unreliable at best, possibly a traitor (lack of a better word...) /having significant pro-bin Laden elements at worst. And they had a decent shot at a the most wanted man in the world (I think Obama said it was like 50/50 or 60/40 or something around that). And they knew if anyone other than the SEALS and those involved knew, bin Laden would probably disappear again because someone would tell him...well you can at least see the rational behind doing it so secretly.

Of course it would, unfortunately, be a very different issue if they failed.

But anyway this thread was about Steve Jobs. He was cool and its too bad he's gone so soon.