Originally Posted by lawleypop

And this is where the morality garbage comes into it.

People will do desperate things in desperate times. It just so happens that society deems the desperate act to be prostitution. It's all subjective.

Regardless, the discussion is about two consenting people who just want sex for the pleasure of it. If somebody is okay paying for it, and somebody is okay being paid for it, who's to decide that it's illegal?

Consenting, sure, but only because there is an exchange of cash occurring. No prostitute will 'consent' to sex unless there is money involved - I don't understand your train of thought.

The morality 'garbage' is played out, sure, but you need to consider the frame of mind some of these people (not just women, actually) are in. Don't try to simplify it and cover it up with attempts at making it 'black & white', because the situation never is. Illegal or not, the fact of the matter is that it more often than not is immoral.

I'm sure you'd feel the same if you were brought up with less options and had to turn to spreading your legs for cash.

Originally Posted by lawleypop

And this is where the morality garbage comes into it.

People will do desperate things in desperate times. It just so happens that society deems the desperate act to be prostitution. It's all subjective.

Regardless, the discussion is about two consenting people who just want sex for the pleasure of it. If somebody is okay paying for it, and somebody is okay being paid for it, who's to decide that it's illegal?

On an unrelated note, let's try to have a grown-up discussion without personal attacks. I realize this is the internet, but surely university students with holier-than-thou attitudes can cut the insults and feel superior in a less immature way.

The 'morality garbage' is the truth, people are desperate and will do desperate things to save themselves. No prostitute will consent to sex when there is no exchange of cash - guaranteed. There is no 'pleasure' in it. Getting stuffed with some middle aged whiskey dick is not enticing, it is an act of desperation.

Don't try to cover it up with a veil of simplicity, either. Human interaction on this kind of level is never simple. You'd surely feel different if you had no other options other than to spread your legs just to survive.

It's like how in prison, if you don't want to end up dead or someone's 'prag', you join up with a group that you can identify with for protection, 99% of the time out of desperation. You'll suck and get ****ed in order to keep yourself alive if necessary, it's basic human instinct.

He makes a very valid point. And I agree with him.

Basically said the same thing twice because the thread glitched out, most likely due to the mod editing a 'personal attack' on lawleypop here, so all I'm going to say is QQ more kids. You ask for a grown-up discussion but your point of view is so immature it's laughable. It isn't even a valid debate. Prostitution is illegal and should remain that way because of all the above reasons, also leading to manipulation of human beings by those who are as sick as those who abuse them.

to op, just imagine that ur prositution was legal and ur own daughter r son keep selling their body out

Originally Posted by lawleypop

We pay for tv, internet, gaming consoles, bowling, etc. and we pay for services that people provide to us.

With that being said it's considered both unethical and illegal to receive these things without paying for them.

So why is it both frowned upon and illegal to pay for one particular good/service? (I mostly just care about the legality part)

Technically, should we not feel bad for NOT paying for it?

Serious discussion thread. I will report "trollers," flame-baiters, and anyone who posts off-topic.

Side note: I realize that in other parts of the world prostitution is legal. They're obviously way ahead of the curve.

Side note #2: Before someone says otherwise, it is this black and white.

because canada likes to seem like a liberal country when in reality it isn't... prostitution is legal, but talking about it, and receiving money from it isn't... just like smoking marijuana or being high isn't a crime, but possessing it is, go figure

Originally Posted by Kendoon

Basically said the same thing twice because the thread glitched out, most likely due to the mod editing a 'personal attack' on lawleypop here, so all I'm going to say is QQ more kids. You ask for a grown-up discussion but your point of view is so immature it's laughable. It isn't even a valid debate. Prostitution is illegal and should remain that way because of all the above reasons, also leading to manipulation of human beings by those who are as sick as those who abuse them.

I love that I know what that is.

I do, for the most part, agree with you.

It is illegal because as a society we look down upon the idea of paying for a warm body.

You can't buy organs here or blood. You can't pay a segregate mother more than just her medical expenses.

Women can volunteer their sexual service but you can't pay for them.

Prostitution is more selling a body rather than a service unlike what you suggested. Sex call lines, which if the late night commercials are any indication, seems to be legal.

Originally Posted by Joey

It is illegal because as a society we look down upon the idea of paying for a warm body.

You can't buy organs here or blood. You can't pay a segregate mother more than just her medical expenses.

Women can volunteer their sexual service but you can't pay for them.

Prostitution is more selling a body rather than a service unlike what you suggested. Sex call lines, which if the late night commercials are any indication, seems to be legal.

Do you mean surrogate?

It's illegal because:

a. it's an easy way for STD s to be spread around, endangering both the prostitute and the client
b. girls will catch on to this easy way of making fast cash which will affect society and their future
c. it's bad for the economy, (yup)

Originally Posted by Kendoon

Consenting, sure, but only because there is an exchange of cash occurring. No prostitute will 'consent' to sex unless there is money involved - I don't understand your train of thought.

The morality 'garbage' is played out, sure, but you need to consider the frame of mind some of these people (not just women, actually) are in. Don't try to simplify it and cover it up with attempts at making it 'black & white', because the situation never is. Illegal or not, the fact of the matter is that it more often than not is immoral.

I'm sure you'd feel the same if you were brought up with less options and had to turn to spreading your legs for cash.

This is a silly analogy, but here goes: I wouldn't put a mixture of mustard, soya sauce, ketchup in my mouth for free, but I'd do it for money. The difference is in how much you value something. You seem to value sex more than I do. To me, it's a means of reproduction that just so happens to be pleasurable. Why not do it for money, especially if you're not one to put it on a pedestal? My only beef with any of this is the control people allow the government to have. It's like the government making laws against **** sex. Even now: "Canadian law now permits **** sex by consenting parties above the age of 18, provided no more than two people are present." Are you serious? Government has no place in our bedrooms, and they have no right to control the market.

As a side note, I really dislike your last sentence. Are you saying that you feel the way you do because you've had to spread your legs for cash? I don't think this way because "I'm privileged." I don't know why you're so offended/irritated by this thread.

There is no 'pleasure' in it. Getting stuffed with some middle aged whiskey dick is not enticing, it is an act of desperation.

Don't try to cover it up with a veil of simplicity, either. Human interaction on this kind of level is never simple. You'd surely feel different if you had no other options other than to spread your legs just to survive.

It's like how in prison, if you don't want to end up dead or someone's 'prag', you join up with a group that you can identify with for protection, 99% of the time out of desperation. You'll suck and get ****ed in order to keep yourself alive if necessary, it's basic human instinct.

Why do you think there's no pleasure in it? Do you also think that people in **** films receive zero pleasure? If I were to go out right now and find a stranger and have intercourse with him for free, I don't see how that's any different from going out and finding a stranger and having sexual intercourse with him for money.

And I'm sorry, but this victim stigma that you're placing on all prostitutes sickens me. You ALWAYS have a choice. (Obvious exception being somebody who's been kidnapped from their home and literally forced into it, etc)

However, if what you say is true (about prostitutes not having any other options but to spread their legs), then should they not be allowed to do this in the safest/cleanest/etc way possible? If these people "have no choice," then prostitution will ALWAYS happen and it doesn't make sense to subject these people (who have no choice) to unclean and unsafe conditions.

Basically said the same thing twice because the thread glitched out, most likely due to the mod editing a 'personal attack' on lawleypop here, so all I'm going to say is QQ more kids. You ask for a grown-up discussion but your point of view is so immature it's laughable. It isn't even a valid debate. Prostitution is illegal and should remain that way because of all the above reasons, also leading to manipulation of human beings by those who are as sick as those who abuse them.

Nobody is QQing. I made a thread to start discussion because MacInsiders has been PATHETIC for months now (see: Capital Punishment thread). For some reason or another, you immediately turned to personal attacks when there had been NO posts that were anywhere near as "angry" as yours. Hence why I reported you. The personal attacks were unwarranted.

I'm asking for a grown up discussion and I'm still not receiving it, between the personal attacks, the mockery, and the "the only way you think like this is because your life is so amazing and perfect."

Everything is a valid debate.

Alas, we're comparing apples and oranges. You're talking about people who have "no choice in the matter" and who probably hate their lives, etc (broad generalization, just trying to get the point across quickly) and I'm talking about people who are in "the right state of mind" (note that I don't think all prostitutes are in a "wrong state of mind").

First, it's not illegal in Canada. It is in the Unite States of America because, the Government can't tax it.

Second, Government doesn't care if you get STD's or not.

Third (referring to Sebastian's post), Human instinct ? That's BS. There's People who commit Suicide, who fight to death and who would rather die than get rapped.


I don't care if a woman does prostitution. That's her problem. As a leader of a country, I' make it illegal because it destroys Society. Prostitution eases destruction of families . And without good family structure, a country can't go on. But since don't care about what goes on here, that aint my bizz.

I never said it was illegal in Canada, let's just clear that up. I like to think I'm pretty well versed in my laws.

a. it's an easy way for STD s to be spread around, endangering both the prostitute and the client

Why do you think that? Look at the pornography industry. Minus a couple scares, it is a VERY clean and safe.

If prostitution was legal, people would be making businesses out of this. People would do everything in their power to make it profitable. Allowing people (both clients and employees) to roam around infecting everyone would not be in the best interest of the firm.

Besides, what does paying for sex have to do with the number of STDs contracted? What's to stop someone with an STD picking up somebody at a bar and infecting him/her?

As I mentioned above, if it's so "unsafe and unclean" then the logical step is to legalize it and find ways for it to be clean and safe. Because prostitution is sticking around for a while, I imagine.

The thing about prostitution is the social interaction. For example, if I find that a chick is a prostitute or a **** actress, as a guy, I would think that the only thing she likes to do is sex.

Now, that may not be true, but that's how people view prostitutes/**** actresses. They can't be taken seriously and most of the time loose their families.

But hen I think about it, what's the difference between a girl that does it for money and a girl that does it for fun ?

Originally Posted by lawleypop

I never said it was illegal in Canada, let's just clear that up. I like to think I'm pretty well versed in my laws.



Why do you think that? Look at the pornography industry. Minus a couple scares, it is a VERY clean and safe.

If prostitution was legal, people would be making businesses out of this. People would do everything in their power to make it profitable. Allowing people (both clients and employees) to roam around infecting everyone would not be in the best interest of the firm.

Besides, what does paying for sex have to do with the number of STDs contracted? What's to stop someone with an STD picking up somebody at a bar and infecting him/her?

As I mentioned above, if it's so "unsafe and unclean" then the logical step is to legalize it and find ways for it to be clean and safe. Because prostitution is sticking around for a while, I imagine.

Very clean and safe, when the people you are doing also get checked up regularly (and there are STILL outbreaks). What happens when the woman needs a few "jobs" in a day and can't ask men to show their papers to show that they are clean? I'd imagine most people who want to get laid on a random night aren't gonna be prepared X amount of time in advance, and each time after when they have intercourse. Makes no sense.