I'm sure some of you have heard about UofT's latest plan to suck every penny that they missed from every student.

http://www.torontosun.com/comment/co...50991-sun.html

I find that really sad. I'm positive that many students do not take a full course load in order to part-time work and pay for tuition. But the latest move from UofT obliterates that plan. What do you guys think about the new flat tuition fee?

That's depressing, awful and despicable.

But I can't say that I'm surprised. It seems as though the value of most anything, including the beautiful value of education, is always decreasing with time and it's a difficult process to go through when you're caught in the middle of it.

I said this too, when McMaster decided to lay off professors - I understand that the economy is really putting everything between a rock and a hard place right now, but how can we have any hope for the future if we're tearing everything apart for a buck.

It's getting worse and worse, students coming out of university can't help but be stuck in debt for years, unable to be independent and relying on their family or other resources. What happened to, oh, if you go to university, you're sure to have a good job and be able to raise a family and have a nice house with a white picket fence. This was what I was raised on, and it saddens me to know that one degree just isn't enough, and soon nothing will be enough. It's not a nice thing to say, but what can you do.

I love UofT thinking up new ways to milk as much money as possible from people. That being said, it's only affecting incoming students, so anyone who is already at UofT is safe from the pain.

So true, education these days is going down the drain. It is to be expected that one degree isn't enough in our days though. Just look at how far technology is going.

Ask yourself this question: "How much science do you need to learn in order to catch up with the world?"

As time goes on and we learn more and more about the world around us as well as beyond the world around us, our children will have to learn more and our children's children will have to learn even more.

I'm afraid to say that we are reaching the plateau of learning. Although the plateau is probably still somewhat far away, you should take into consideration that after undergrad there is grad and then there is specialization. Once all this is complete, students are in their late 20s and even early 30s. But that is not enough, because what they have learned has already released into the world and to better the world they have to do research.

On top of this, high schools are starting to dilute their courses, eliminating courses, pushing their courses up to higher years.

So unless we invent a way to implant information in our brains at high speeds without mental breakdowns, there is only so much we can learn.

Most of all, I believe that university is not primarily for education purposes. It's a business. They take the money from the students and give them as grants to the teachers to further their research in hopes of someone scoring huge with something new. The university would then start to milk whatever they have discovered for more money. That's my belief anyways.

Originally Posted by PTGregD

I love UofT thinking up new ways to milk as much money as possible from people. That being said, it's only affecting incoming students, so anyone who is already at UofT is safe from the pain.

That is true, you can also overload and pay the same price too. So you can save money there as far as I know. I haven't read or heard anything about extra fees for overloading. But then again, who overloads at UofT? o.O

Originally Posted by jhan523

That is true, you can also overload and pay the same price too. So you can save money there as far as I know. I haven't read or heard anything about extra fees for overloading. But then again, who overloads at UofT? o.O

Seriously haha, I don't think any of my friends have even considered overloading there, and they are pretty damn smart. I think most people, if they need to, would just take summer classes rather than overload during the year. That's why UofT knows this tuition plan is so good. No one will take "advantage" of it by overloading.

Exactly! It would be suicide if anyone were to overload. I don't think I would even overload at McMaster >.> Lol

Originally Posted by jhan523

Exactly! It would be suicide if anyone were to overload. I don't think I would even overload at McMaster >.> Lol

Noooo don't say that....I have to overload this year! :(

The higher the year you are in, the more work gets piled on you. So overloading in fourth year = the worst possible idea you could ever have.

Greg, I only said that statement in according with the experience I have gained at knowing what kind of work load suits me. For all I know you're probably very good at managing time and such. I'm horrible with said skill Lol. For now anyways, I'm working on it. If anything fourth year if the one where I want to have the least amount of courses. I'll have to work on my thesis...

Originally Posted by jhan523

Greg, I only said that statement in according with the experience I have gained at knowing what kind of work load suits me. For all I know you're probably very good at managing time and such. I'm horrible with said skill Lol. For now anyways, I'm working on it. If anything fourth year if the one where I want to have the least amount of courses. I'll have to work on my thesis...

Haha, yeah, probably want to lighten the load for when you're writing your thesis

They're not fun, no matter what faculty you're in.

I already hate writting formal things so theses (?) will just be that much worse. >.<

Well that's only the begginning, Uoft also has an awesome plan of just increasing the already ridiculously high International tuition fees by 10-25% each year(They already are 21k for my friends compared to 13/14k for me at Mac). The reason they increased them by a whopping 25% this year was the statement "They are rich and hence can afford it"; which quite frankly is a load of bollocks, sure some of my friends come under that category but a number of others including myself our parents are making huge sacrifices to get us here, such an reckless statement only makes it worse!

Ugh, thats so disgusting; I'm glad I didn't chose to go there. I wouldn't want to support their stupidity.

Not only are they going to piss a ton of people off, but their reputation is going to slip more than it (already apparently) has.