Originally Posted by healthsci1

wow, you are totally clueless.

He's right...unless you are planning on grad school or professional school, a B. Sc. gets you basically nowhere. At the most, an entry-level job doing tech work.

Originally Posted by Commander

Sorry I hurt your feelings... But Engineering is the only good program at mac to get a real job with just 4 years. Anything else is shit.

Nursing, Med Rad Sci, and Commerce all beg to differ

Originally Posted by Tailsnake

Nursing, Med Rad Sci, and Commerce all beg to differ

just w/ a bachelors

med rad sci= a ct scan tech (boring/doesn't pay well)
Commerce= a dead end job at an office that takes years of networking and hardwork to move up if your lucky
Nursing=I haven't met a nurse who wasn't a ***** so it cant be that great can it.
science=least valuable degree of all; they're a dime a dozen, look for low employment as oppurtunities well as horrible pay.

i hate to say it but commander has a point, engineer's do seem to have the most success after 4 years; too bad he's so thick he wont make it past first year

Originally Posted by Commander

Sorry I hurt your feelings... But Engineering is the only good program at mac to get a real job with just 4 years.

You mean 5 years, right? I think the majority of people in Eng take a fifth year

One of the main reasons I switched out of Science was because I didn't like the job prospects. There are good options if you're planning on doing more school, but I just couldn't see myself spending any more than that time in school.

I'd argue that nursing does a better job of meeting that "real job in 4 years" requirement than Eng, but I am a tad biased. It does seem like there's a whole lot more Eng graduates struggling to find a job than Nursing graduates.

But wouldn't the different streams within Science differ to? I feel like Env Sci is somewhat more practical than just a regular Life Sci degree, but that's just me.

Originally Posted by manap3000

just w/ a bachelors

med rad sci= a ct scan tech (boring/doesn't pay well)
Commerce= a dead end job at an office that takes years of networking and hardwork to move up if your lucky
Nursing=I haven't met a nurse who wasn't a ***** so it cant be that great can it.
science=least valuable degree of all; they're a dime a dozen, look for low employment as oppurtunities well as horrible pay.

i hate to say it but commander has a point, engineer's do seem to have the most success after 4 years; too bad he's so thick he wont make it past first year

Its true, a bachelor of science doesn't prepare you for a specific job, but that's not its' intention. A B.Sc provides potential, with basic training that prepares you for a wide variety of graduate programs, which we all know is what you need to get a good job in science. No one here is deluded into thinking a good job comes from just a B. Sc, we know it's just a stepping stone. It doesn't have to do entirely with your degree, it has more to do with what you do with it. Does Engineering provide the best options after undergrad? Maybe, but ten years from now is it still those engineers with the best job prospects? Or is it those with masters and PhDs?

thanks all I'm looking to enter med school when i finish Life Science. Hopefully i do get accepted. Long way there still.

Originally Posted by Tailsnake

Nursing, Med Rad Sci, and Commerce all beg to differ

People actually take B.Coms seriously? They're dime-a-dozen and, from my experience in those classes, the kids are beyond incompetent. Basic mathematics and the simplest calculus elude them.

Originally Posted by Marlowe

You mean 5 years, right? I think the majority of people in Eng take a fifth year

One of the main reasons I switched out of Science was because I didn't like the job prospects. There are good options if you're planning on doing more school, but I just couldn't see myself spending any more than that time in school.

I'd argue that nursing does a better job of meeting that "real job in 4 years" requirement than Eng, but I am a tad biased. It does seem like there's a whole lot more Eng graduates struggling to find a job than Nursing graduates.

5 years if you want to (Eng & Relaxation), or you take one of the three 5-year programs. Or just being too stupid to complete it in 4. Sadly, a lot of people fit the last one. There'd be more in that boat if they didn't cheat their way through.

Originally Posted by Connor_92

Its true, a bachelor of science doesn't prepare you for a specific job, but that's not its' intention. A B.Sc provides potential, with basic training that prepares you for a wide variety of graduate programs, which we all know is what you need to get a good job in science. No one here is deluded into thinking a good job comes from just a B. Sc, we know it's just a stepping stone. It doesn't have to do entirely with your degree, it has more to do with what you do with it. Does Engineering provide the best options after undergrad? Maybe, but ten years from now is it still those engineers with the best job prospects? Or is it those with masters and PhDs?

good point about it being a stepping stone, by all means take another ten years for yourself, but some of us(especially the ones w/o rich mommys and daddys) wan't to be "ballin" right now!

Originally Posted by manap3000

good point about it being a stepping stone, by all means take another ten years for yourself, but some of us(especially the ones w/o rich mommys and daddys) wan't to be "ballin" right now!

Then your probably in the wrong program. I don't come from a rich family, thats a pretty rude assumption to make. I don't mean that I'm going to take ten extra years of school. I mean that in ten years science students could very well be making more money then engineers. It just takes us longer to get there. Sorry to disappoint you, but your not going be making 6 figures with a bachelor of science at 21. I'm sorry the system has misled you so badly.

Originally Posted by Connor_92

Then your probably in the wrong program. I don't come from a rich family, thats a pretty rude assumption to make. I don't mean that I'm going to take ten extra years of school. I mean that in ten years science students could very well be making more money then engineers. It just takes us longer to get there. Sorry to disappoint you, but your not going be making 6 figures with a bachelor of science at 21. I'm sorry the system has misled you so badly.

-1st didn't say it was you w/ the rich mom and dad stop acting so damn butthurt
-engineer's have one of the highest starting salaries coming out of post secondary education, so for the first five years or so my friend i'd say you would make less, if you managed to remain motivated and get your master's by then and you had already established yourself within the company than maybe you would finally start to make a decent salary, this hasn't stopped the engineer from also moving up in the company so your still losing (in terms of salary) at this point
-you might be misled if you think all the school it takes to be successful in research is equivalent to the pay you finally end up getting, it's not.
-Want to know why hard work to become researcher =/money? A researcher works in a back room far from human interaction, basically they could pay an asian a lot less to do the same damn thing that you worked so hard to become.
-jobs which require you to negotiate and interact with others is considered valuable b/c a certain skill set is required to get the job accomplished.

Originally Posted by manap3000

-1st didn't say it was you w/ the rich mom and dad stop acting so damn butthurt
-engineer's have one of the highest starting salaries coming out of post secondary education, so for the first five years or so my friend i'd say you would make less, if you managed to remain motivated and get your master's by then and you had already established yourself within the company than maybe you would finally start to make a decent salary, this hasn't stopped the engineer from also moving up in the company so your still losing (in terms of salary) at this point
-you might be misled if you think all the school it takes to be successful in research is equivalent to the pay you finally end up getting, it's not.
-Want to know why hard work to become researcher =/money? A researcher works in a back room far from human interaction, basically they could pay an asian a lot less to do the same damn thing that you worked so hard to become.
-jobs which require you to negotiate and interact with others is considered valuable b/c a certain skill set is required to get the job accomplished.

So...why are YOU in science?

You're all so cute with your "HURRR IM GONNA BE DER DOCTOR AND MAKE DER MILLIONS DURRRR" and your "NOO UR STUPID UR COMMERCE UR NOT GONNA MAKE DER MONEYYSSSS HURRR".

It's amusing.

Its more like... 'y'all gonna be majorly in debt, have fun working at McD's with your degree'

Lol it's so funny how it turned into a battle of faculty here lol
And if you want to get a job right after BSc you could always work hard
And apply for the co-op programs in 3rd year