So yeah, I thought I'd just merge 2 questions in one.

For all you Materials Eng people, is MATLS 1M03 a decent indication of what Materials is like? I mean, I like the course so far, but some of the higher up courses seem less interesting and whatnot.

As for the chem thing, I'm thinking of possibly taking orgo next year as an elective (yeah yeah, I know) because I genuinely enjoy orgo. Anyway, Eng kids aren't allowed to take other sciences first year, and CHEM 2OA3 needs 1AA3, which I don't have. What are the odds I could get the 1AA3 prereq waived, just so I don't have to take it over the summer?

Thanks as always guys. You're usually pretty helpful. :p

Originally Posted by Zimonada

So yeah, I thought I'd just merge 2 questions in one.

For all you Materials Eng people, is MATLS 1M03 a decent indication of what Materials is like? I mean, I like the course so far, but some of the higher up courses seem less interesting and whatnot.

As for the chem thing, I'm thinking of possibly taking orgo next year as an elective (yeah yeah, I know) because I genuinely enjoy orgo. Anyway, Eng kids aren't allowed to take other sciences first year, and CHEM 2OA3 needs 1AA3, which I don't have. What are the odds I could get the 1AA3 prereq waived, just so I don't have to take it over the summer?

Thanks as always guys. You're usually pretty helpful. :p

No idea about materials, but I doubt you'll get it waived. When I applied to take it over the summer, they checked by current Chem 1AA3 average, and waived it then (they figured I would pass). It's worth a shot, though, I'd email the department asap.

Originally Posted by Zimonada

So yeah, I thought I'd just merge 2 questions in one.

For all you Materials Eng people, is MATLS 1M03 a decent indication of what Materials is like? I mean, I like the course so far, but some of the higher up courses seem less interesting and whatnot.

As for the chem thing, I'm thinking of possibly taking orgo next year as an elective (yeah yeah, I know) because I genuinely enjoy orgo. Anyway, Eng kids aren't allowed to take other sciences first year, and CHEM 2OA3 needs 1AA3, which I don't have. What are the odds I could get the 1AA3 prereq waived, just so I don't have to take it over the summer?

Thanks as always guys. You're usually pretty helpful. :p

1M03 is a decent representation of what Materials Science and Engineering is about, but it's far from complete. Thermo is severely underrepresented considering you're going to be taking at least one Thermo course every term. Other stuff, like crystal structures and the effects of stresses and strains, are introduced pretty well in 1M03 and serve as a preview for the entire courses dedicated to them.

I know it probably doesn't matter anymore, but I suspect that if your average was good enough and you were certain you wanted to go into a department that required 1AA3, you could probably get permission for it in term 2 of level I.

I really doubt you'll be able to get into 2OA3 without the prereq though, since 1AA3 serves as a solid foundation for organic chem knowledge. I'm not sure if you're real keen and ahead of everyone, but if you're basing your enjoyment of organic chem on high school and/or 1E03 (is there even any organic Chem in 1E03? I can't remember), be aware that you've barely touched the surface of what it actually is.

You could try, but I highly doubt they will let you into 2OA3 without 1AA3. Why the rush to take orgo? If you're genuinely interested, you could probably just learn it without paying the cash and wasting your summer on it.

Originally Posted by Zimonada

So yeah, I thought I'd just merge 2 questions in one.

For all you Materials Eng people, is MATLS 1M03 a decent indication of what Materials is like? I mean, I like the course so far, but some of the higher up courses seem less interesting and whatnot.

As for the chem thing, I'm thinking of possibly taking orgo next year as an elective (yeah yeah, I know) because I genuinely enjoy orgo. Anyway, Eng kids aren't allowed to take other sciences first year, and CHEM 2OA3 needs 1AA3, which I don't have. What are the odds I could get the 1AA3 prereq waived, just so I don't have to take it over the summer?

Thanks as always guys. You're usually pretty helpful. :p

I disagree with Steven, I don't really think 1M03 was super helpful... I didnt do well and didn't like it but here I am! (and i like it!)

That stuff comes back in 3M03 mostly. Most of 2nd year is basics, ESPECIALLY thermodynamics and stuff like that. Definitely most interesting in your last 2 years when you're taking tech electives - more real life type stuff. I took corrosion, ceramics, environmental manufacturing (doing LCAs), and iron and steelmaking which I'm doing right now. They're all preeeeeeetty cool.

A decent amount of lab work too, espesh in your last couple years. You'll be in those mounting/polishing/etching and furnace rooms ALL the time!

As for chem, you'll need to take 1AA3 for materials anyways, so maybe put that elective a little later on your list. (ps. that course is irrelevant and sucks XD)

PM me if you have any other qs

Originally Posted by Zimonada

So yeah, I thought I'd just merge 2 questions in one.

As for the chem thing, I'm thinking of possibly taking orgo next year as an elective (yeah yeah, I know) because I genuinely enjoy orgo. Anyway, Eng kids aren't allowed to take other sciences first year, and CHEM 2OA3 needs 1AA3, which I don't have. What are the odds I could get the 1AA3 prereq waived, just so I don't have to take it over the summer?

Thanks as always guys. You're usually pretty helpful. :p

I would give it a shot, email the department and tell them your issue. Also go talk to the prof personally, if you put up a good case, they can sometimes do magical things. lol...
it'll be hard but i think it can be done.

Originally Posted by Entropy

I'm not sure if you're real keen and ahead of everyone, but if you're basing your enjoyment of organic chem on high school and/or 1E03 (is there even any organic Chem in 1E03? I can't remember), be aware that you've barely touched the surface of what it actually is.

Definitely most of my enjoyment is from high school (there isn't any in 1E03), but I've also been talking with other LifeSci's who are going into chem and stuff and it seems interesting. Not to mention I sniped some notes off of DC++ for 2OA3 and took a skim through them, they seem (while complicated) pretty cool too. But yeah, I'm debating between Materials and Software (both with Society) now... which are on opposite ends of the Eng spectrum... so I figured if I went Software I could still do chem electives to fulfill the part of me that wants chem (only because I'm better at Software, as far as I know)

Originally Posted by micadjems

I disagree with Steven, I don't really think 1M03 was super helpful... I didnt do well and didn't like it but here I am! (and i like it!)

That stuff comes back in 3M03 mostly. Most of 2nd year is basics, ESPECIALLY thermodynamics and stuff like that. Definitely most interesting in your last 2 years when you're taking tech electives - more real life type stuff. I took corrosion, ceramics, environmental manufacturing (doing LCAs), and iron and steelmaking which I'm doing right now. They're all preeeeeeetty cool.

A decent amount of lab work too, espesh in your last couple years. You'll be in those mounting/polishing/etching and furnace rooms ALL the time!

As for chem, you'll need to take 1AA3 for materials anyways, so maybe put that elective a little later on your list. (ps. that course is irrelevant and sucks XD)

PM me if you have any other qs

Arrrrrrrrgh thermodynamics, I guess I could learn to love them, I probably hate it because I never really learned it in high school or here. The rest of that stuff actually sounds epic though, which is exciting :p

And yeah, since I'd probably only go for chem electives if I go Software instead of Materials (even Sally Williams said it'd probably be redundant), I figure if I took 1AA3 over the summer I could go ahead and do orgo, or at least not have to do 1AA3 in third year for materials.

Originally Posted by Zimonada

But yeah, I'm debating between Materials and Software (both with Society)

Arrrrrrrrgh thermodynamics, I guess I could learn to love them, I probably hate it because I never really learned it in high school or here. The rest of that stuff actually sounds epic though, which is exciting :p

And yeah, since I'd probably only go for chem electives if I go Software instead of Materials (even Sally Williams said it'd probably be redundant), I figure if I took 1AA3 over the summer I could go ahead and do orgo, or at least not have to do 1AA3 in third year for materials.

Hooray for society!! Highly encourage that program - the profs are so fantastic and passionate! You learn a lot more than straight eng could teach you.

Thermo is kind of balls, but as long as you can get through it, it's so worth it to get to the cool stuff.

My sister originally thought she wanted software and game design, but ultimately chose mech. She is, however, doing her focus electives from society in comp sci - best of both worlds. That might be a good option for you!

Best of luck!

Originally Posted by micadjems

Hooray for society!! Highly encourage that program - the profs are so fantastic and passionate! You learn a lot more than straight eng could teach you.

Thermo is kind of balls, but as long as you can get through it, it's so worth it to get to the cool stuff.

My sister originally thought she wanted software and game design, but ultimately chose mech. She is, however, doing her focus electives from society in comp sci - best of both worlds. That might be a good option for you!

Best of luck!

Yeah, I know how everyone goes on and on about being "well rounded engineers" and stuff and that everyone thinks it's ridiculous... but it's really so much more helpful to have some knowledge outside of just science and math. Plus, I think I'd get bored otherwise with just straight eng. :p

And even though I really really dislike thermo... I'm pretty sure I dislike it a lot less than physics. So, as long as I can get interested in everything else hopefully concepts will back each other up or something. But yeah, thanks a lot for the help, it's much appreciated

Also, if you don't mind me asking... do you know what the minimum averages for Materials was around? I know it's gonna be different, but I'm just trying to ballpark around whether or not I should/need to drop physics till the summer to bump my average, y'know, on the offchance that both of the maths kill me.

Originally Posted by Zimonada

Yeah, I know how everyone goes on and on about being "well rounded engineers" and stuff and that everyone thinks it's ridiculous... but it's really so much more helpful to have some knowledge outside of just science and math. Plus, I think I'd get bored otherwise with just straight eng. :p

And even though I really really dislike thermo... I'm pretty sure I dislike it a lot less than physics. So, as long as I can get interested in everything else hopefully concepts will back each other up or something. But yeah, thanks a lot for the help, it's much appreciated

Also, if you don't mind me asking... do you know what the minimum averages for Materials was around? I know it's gonna be different, but I'm just trying to ballpark around whether or not I should/need to drop physics till the summer to bump my average, y'know, on the offchance that both of the maths kill me.

You probably don't need to worry about entrance averages for Materials. Although does change every year and I can't guarantee anything, historically speaking it's been a 4, so as long as you can make it into level II then you're fine.

I think the only disciplines that are competitive enough to require a certain level I CA are Mechanical, Mechatronics, Civil, Electrical, Biomed, Chem/Bio, or anything with Management. All others are either 4.0 or so close to 4.0 that it most likely doesn't matter.

I don't think Society's ever been popular enough to have to cut people out too, but I'm less sure about that one.

Perhaps we'll see you around next year. =p