oh I don't know yet. co-op doesn't start until second semester

Originally Posted by RankNullity

oh I don't know yet. co-op doesn't start until second semester

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Originally Posted by tbhidk

i'm taking all the ones you mentioned except 2k and 2L... and potentially 2T

Something to consider is that 2S and 2T are often listed as anti-requisites (I'm not sure why they're not this time...might be an oversight).

2S is the "pure math" continuation of linear algebra that prepares you for upper level algebra courses.
2T is the "computational math" continuation.

In my opinion it's not really worth it to take both since they cover a lot of the same material and it won't really help as much with your upper level course choices.

Originally Posted by Andrew A

I don't see how a course you need for the CS minor could conflict with a CS major course... that seems wrong

These are courses that should be taken in different years. One is a first year course, the other a second.

Mowicz you might be able to help me with this. Since I'm going into co-op this year, it says I need 3 units from the following course list for first semester:

Course List

MATH 2E03, 2S03, 2T03, 3B03, 3E03, 3EE3, 3F03, 3FF3, 3T03; STATS 2MB3, 3CI3, 3D03, 3S03, 3U03

However, stats is out of the question (since I hate it), I already took 2S03, and I'm required to take 3E03, and a bunch of them are only offered second semester. This leaves me with 2E03, 3B03, and 3F03, none of which I really wanted to take. I've been leaning towards 2E03 since it says it's recommended for co-op students, but I don't really know anything about the course. But since I have to take one, which one would you suggest?

Of the ones in the course list I'd actually recommend 3T because it's material shows up in so many 4th and graduate level courses. I might be biased however since my research area is topology haha...it is a slightly difficult course.

3B is being taught by Nicas who in my opinion is the easiest grader in the entire university. So generous haha. It's a continuation of some thing you've seen in 2X/2XX, you deal with 3-D surfaces and learn how to compute their surface areas, curvatures (new) and some things called their fundamental forms. It leads nicely into "calculus on manifolds" or in other words, "how do you take an integral on a sphere?" (different from integrating over a sphere)

2E I never took but I haven't been given a good impression by my friends who did. The course allegedly doesn't teach you too much that you can actually use and is just a tedious thing you "have to get through."

3F is like a slightly more interesting 2C where you learn to analyze different solutions as opposed to simply solve them.

Ya I would look into 3T it's just that it's only offered second semester so it wouldn't work. But thanks for the help though. I think requiring to have a course from this list is stupid haha

oh they're not cross listed this year ? :S

Oh if you've already taken 2S and 3E then you've met that requirement. I think that means you can take anything now (it doesn't matter if you've met the requirement in 2nd year)

soooo now that i won't be taking comp sc1md3, do you think i should still take 1fc3? considering i have absolutely no experience with computers, or should i just find two different electives.
aaaaand which electives should they be? i'm a fairly good writer, i just never seem to ever take humanities or soc sci classes seriously, if there's books to be read i always say i will, but i never end up doing it. i would like to take something that will potentially be useful, but i'd prefer something easy to something useful.
i've heard the first year econ courses are easy, but i have absolutely no previous business experience, i didn't even take grade 9 business lol.

Originally Posted by tbhidk

soooo now that i won't be taking comp sc1md3, do you think i should still take 1fc3? considering i have absolutely no experience with computers, or should i just find two different electives.
aaaaand which electives should they be? i'm a fairly good writer, i just never seem to ever take humanities or soc sci classes seriously, if there's books to be read i always say i will, but i never end up doing it. i would like to take something that will potentially be useful, but i'd prefer something easy to something useful.
i've heard the first year econ courses are easy, but i have absolutely no previous business experience, i didn't even take grade 9 business lol.

There's two (probably more, actually, but let's just say 'two') approaches to computer science. One is the 'bottom-up' approach, where you learn how to use and apply languages and so on before learning about everything more theoretically. In other words, you learn what computers do before learning about computers themselves.
The 'top-down' approach is the one that complements a mathematics major more, in my opinion. Computer science is basically built on a foundation of mathematical logic. In many ways, theoretical computer science can be seen as the syntactical analysis of formal languages and systems (and model theory, a subset of mathematical logic, can be seen as the semantic counterpart). So, if you have a familiarity with pure mathematics - particularly abstract algebra and logic - you will be able to understand computer science from a 'top-down' perspective.

Originally Posted by Mahratta

There's two (probably more, actually, but let's just say 'two') approaches to computer science. One is the 'bottom-up' approach, where you learn how to use and apply languages and so on before learning about everything more theoretically. In other words, you learn what computers do before learning about computers themselves.
The 'top-down' approach is the one that complements a mathematics major more, in my opinion. Computer science is basically built on a foundation of mathematical logic. In many ways, theoretical computer science can be seen as the syntactical analysis of formal languages and systems (and model theory, a subset of mathematical logic, can be seen as the semantic counterpart). So, if you have a familiarity with pure mathematics - particularly abstract algebra and logic - you will be able to understand computer science from a 'top-down' perspective.

1MD3 would be bottom-up and 1FC3 would be top-down then, just to clarify things.

Originally Posted by Andrew A

1MD3 would be bottom-up and 1FC3 would be top-down then, just to clarify things.

I don't mean 'theoretical computer science' in computer-scientific terms, so no, not really. But in computer-scientific terms, yes.

To explicate: if your universe of discourse is computer science, then yes. However, I was referring to 'top-down' and 'bottom-up' with mathematical logic as my universe of discourse, so that's not actually what I meant.

Just a quick correction here, Stats 2D03 is not the required course for Comp Sci anymore, they've just changed it to Stats 3Y03 (you take it in second year Comp Sci), apparently it's Statistics for Engineers.