It looks like they're posting master timetables as PDFs here:

http://registrar.mcmaster.ca /enrol/class-search/

It's unclear if they will provide one for the upcoming Fall/Winter session.

Also, if you go here (link will not work if you're logged in to Mosaic):

https://applicants.mcmaster.c a/psp... S_SEARCH.GBL

You can perform an overly broad search (campus==McMaster or similar) and get a list of what looks like every course.

Hey Dillon, hope you can get timetablegenerator.co m working again. It is a great resource for students.

chrisA looks like he might have found a temporary solution.

I think I solved the mystery why Mosaic is so horrible.... Jar Jar is key to all this.

Originally Posted by Ownaginatios

For anyone who's looked through MOSAIC closely, is there anywhere where course scheduling information is posted? McMaster took down the old source for http://www.timetablegenerato r.com, which was (this year) https://adweb.cis.mcmaster.ca /mtt/U201409.html

Judging by how slow this site is compared to MUGSI, even when not course selection related things without any traffic, I have a feeling students will still want to be able to schedule their courses ahead of time offline and was hoping I could get the site working properly again :/

It's in the "Search for classes" section

Originally Posted by Afzal

It's in the "Search for classes" section

The problem with this is timetablegenerator.co m needs a source where the scheduling information for every course is shown at once. It would be to inefficient/time-consuming/impossible to look up the info one course at a time like this.

I just want to know how much did mac spend on the new system......

How can I get the code of the course I want to take?

I thought I'd get it via the Master Schedule, but I Google it and what I get is "FAQ on the Master Schedule", but not the Master Schedule itself....... what the deuce

I swear to god, monkeys designed Mosaic. Like whenever I imagine the programmers behind it, I see two chimps smashing keyboards in rage.

Originally Posted by ItsKaobo

I just want to know how much did mac spend on the new system......

Haha no you really dont.

I would guess the following (based on pure speculation, a bit of quick reading and some industry knowledge)

- Initial transition costs over 2-4 years
(approval boards, hearings, vendor meetings, staff training, student resource creation, etc. More costs that you can imagine)
$10-20 million

- Vendor License costs (peoplesoft):
$750,000 to $1 million. Additional costs for upgrades every 2-3 years

- Support costs (peoplesoft + business partners)
Initial support: 5 million
Continuing support every year: >$1million

Overrun Costs:
- 5 Million (at least. A few USA schools have said their overrun costs have been in the $20+ million range)

Hardware costs:
- New servers OR cloud based solutions license. (or a hybrid setup)


Its my total guess. But if you were thinking cheap ... think again. If anything I low-balled. ERP solutions are incredibly expensive and have a long history of massive overruns due to high complexity.

Originally Posted by qwerty91

Haha no you really dont.

I would guess the following (based on pure speculation, a bit of quick reading and some industry knowledge)

- Initial transition costs over 2-4 years
(approval boards, hearings, vendor meetings, staff training, student resource creation, etc. More costs that you can imagine)
$10-20 million

- Vendor License costs (peoplesoft):
$750,000 to $1 million. Additional costs for upgrades every 2-3 years

- Support costs (peoplesoft + business partners)
Initial support: 5 million
Continuing support every year: >$1million

Overrun Costs:
- 5 Million (at least. A few USA schools have said their overrun costs have been in the $20+ million range)

Hardware costs:
- New servers OR cloud based solutions license. (or a hybrid setup)


Its my total guess. But if you were thinking cheap ... think again. If anything I low-balled. ERP solutions are incredibly expensive and have a long history of massive overruns due to high complexity.

Hmm, seems legit. Yet half of the building in McMaster look like they haven't been restored in decades. The three buildings TSH, KTH and that other one still have lockers that look like they were found in 50s junkyard.

my computer originally has windows 8 but am using a windows 7 skin/shell

when i try to log into mosaic, i get the message "We've detected that your operating system is not supported by this website. For best results, use one of the following operating systems"

and then it gives a list of acceptable OS including windows 8 and 7.

Anybody had this issue?

As long as it lets you in I'd assume the error is meaningless and everything should work as well as it works for everyone else. (not great)

Could be you're using 8.1, but the site's only coded to check for 8.

Originally Posted by qwerty91

Haha no you really dont.

I would guess the following (based on pure speculation, a bit of quick reading and some industry knowledge)

- Initial transition costs over 2-4 years
(approval boards, hearings, vendor meetings, staff training, student resource creation, etc. More costs that you can imagine)
$10-20 million

- Vendor License costs (peoplesoft):
$750,000 to $1 million. Additional costs for upgrades every 2-3 years

- Support costs (peoplesoft + business partners)
Initial support: 5 million
Continuing support every year: >$1million

Overrun Costs:
- 5 Million (at least. A few USA schools have said their overrun costs have been in the $20+ million range)

Hardware costs:
- New servers OR cloud based solutions license. (or a hybrid setup)


Its my total guess. But if you were thinking cheap ... think again. If anything I low-balled. ERP solutions are incredibly expensive and have a long history of massive overruns due to high complexity.

You're pretty close! The project budget approval that went through Board of Governors 3-4 years ago was at $45 Million. You also might be the first person related to McMaster that knew about ERP projects on your own! Usually the first reaction I hear is "What? $45 Million? 4th Year CompSci's could design a better system than this crap for a $100k or free".

Unfortunately as you might know Oracle People Soft and SunGard Banner were the only two options in the market that had the scale to cover not just student administration (which most students interact with) but also integrated HR/Finance/Research sections in one piece as well. Similarly Deloitte was chosen as the consultant for the project, the other firms in the running were just as high tier as they monopolize past experience implementing ERP in a University environment.

Originally Posted by chrisA

As long as it lets you in I'd assume the error is meaningless and everything should work as well as it works for everyone else. (not great)

Could be you're using 8.1, but the site's only coded to check for 8.

unfortunately it doesnt let me in
using my mobile permanently for this new 'mugsi'..

Originally Posted by huzaifa47

Unfortunately as you might know Oracle People Soft and SunGard Banner were the only two options in the market that had the scale to cover not just student administration (which most students interact with) but also integrated HR/Finance/Research sections in one piece as well.

Were no smaller companies consulted? I don't see the point of exclusively trying to find an "off the shelf solution" if it takes half a decade to deliver it. Integrating all that isn't terribly difficult and scaling up isn't too much of an issue these days when you have things like AWS you can host on.

Originally Posted by Ownaginatios

Were no smaller companies consulted? I don't see the point of exclusively trying to find an "off the shelf solution" if it takes half a decade to deliver it. Integrating all that isn't terribly difficult and scaling up isn't too much of an issue these days when you have things like AWS you can host on.

To be fair, the old class registration system existed for more than half a decade (at least from what I remember), and it still smoked ass.

I mean 40 people at a time for a University of 25000 students? How the fuck was that supposed to work?