I think theres a lot of pointless bickering, off topicness, and ad hominem... what do people think about this walk? I kinda want to go but it seems silly

Originally Posted by RyanC

I kinda want to go but it seems silly

I don't think its silly. Why do you want to go though? Are you in support or against? What is your opinion on the topic.

Originally Posted by Revolution1

Yes, women should certainly take care of themselves and take precautions to be safe when they are outside. However, even when a woman is so drunk that she has no idea who she is with, is sleeping with a new person each night, or is going about prostituting herself, she is not asking to be raped. Under NO circumstances would her rape be justified.

Of course she's not asking to be raped. No one ever is, but by getting herself drunk to that extent, you can't deny she's making herself an incredibly easy target.

No one is trying to justify rape, only provide plausible explanations to why some women are raped while some aren't. I don't think you need to tell us that just because a woman is naked on the streets, doesn't mean we should rape her. But there are some messed up people in the world, and in their eyes, it makes sense to do just that. Those people will be around no matter how you dress, but how you dress can greatly affect your chance of being a target.

Originally Posted by Revolution1

Entropy and the like seem to be promoting the very dangerous idea that rape is solely a crime of passion, and only provocatively dressed, “hot” women are raped.

Originally Posted by Entropy

Because I fear a shitstorm on the horizon, for further clarification, I'm not blaming the victims either. It's not like "You were obviously assaulted because you dressed like that", it's more "Be aware that dressing like that may increase the likelihood of an assault, but rapists be crazy so it might happen anyway."

Also, wut @

Originally Posted by Revolution1

However, I think it is high time we started changing our thinking, since there is a scarily large amount of people (as witnessed on this forum) that believe that rape is justified in some cases.

Again, no one is trying to justify rape.

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Ended up reading a lot of the fourth page that I didn't read before I made the previous post.

Holy ****** people.

How did some relatively sensible posts get censored and some posts on this page not get removed asap?

Looks like the majority of those ones were not perfectly in line with the OP's opinion. ;D

Originally Posted by arathbon

But Amy, you are right that this shouldn't need to be something that needs to be thought of, the ultimate solution comes in finding out why rape occurs.

Care to elaborate on this? I could point you to studies that theorize why coerce sex occurs but I don't think it would matter much. Plus, I am not interested in that. I'm more interested in a propose solution if a clear and distinct reason(s) was found.

Lets look a simplified case that everyone can relate to: Hunger.

We know why we are hungry. How would you propose a solution to it? Would you make sure everyone is fed so that they no longer have to participate in illegal activities in order to feed themselves?

What would you do now that you know the reason for the problem?

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Originally Posted by PHLN

Care to elaborate on this? I could point you to studies that theorize why coerce sex occurs but I don't think it would matter much. Plus, I am not interested in that. I'm more interested in a propose solution if a clear and distinct reason(s) was found.

Lets look a simplified case that everyone can relate to: Hunger.

We know why we are hungry. How would you propose a solution to it? Would you make sure everyone is fed so that they no longer have to participate in illegal activities in order to feed themselves?

What would you do now that you know the reason for the problem?

Plenty of men go years if not their entire life without sex. I haven't kissed a girl in 9 months, and I'm not going out and forcing myself on people. Just saying you can't just say "Oh well, reproduction is a need. That's why rape occurs"

Originally Posted by Entropy

Of course she's not asking to be raped. No one ever is, but by getting herself drunk to that extent, you can't deny she's making herself an incredibly easy target.

No one is trying to justify rape, only provide plausible explanations to why some women are raped while some aren't. I don't think you need to tell us that just because a woman is naked on the streets, doesn't mean we should rape her. But there are some messed up people in the world, and in their eyes, it makes sense to do just that. Those people will be around no matter how you dress, but how you dress can greatly affect your chance of being a target.





Also, wut @



Again, no one is trying to justify rape.

I think it is a common misconception that dress and appearance play a large role in your chances of being raped. I do not have any statistics, but think about it: If they did, only scantily clad, beautiful women (like those in the pictures you posted) would be raped. What can you say about the countless women who are raped in Middle Eastern countries? Forget about cleavage, a woman cannot even show her hair in many Muslim countries. Why? It is the same reasoning that is being brought up here: it is the woman who must cover up so that the man can control his urges. What can you say about the babies, the little boys and girls, and the elderly who are sexually assaulted? Do you not see a pattern here? Look, if you are going to try to find reasons for rape, try to open your mind. All of the aforementioned groups of people are vulnerable and powerless.


I do not deny that if you dress provocatively, you will most likely attract attention (stares, catcalls, etc.). Taking precautions in order to not attract this sort of attention from seedy characters who are up to no good is certainly wise and should be encouraged. But, who knows what goes on in a rapist's mind? If a sicko is intent on raping and hurting someone, he will probably pursue his own twisted desires and fantasies, not go after the first scantily clad woman that he sees. Also, keep in mind that most victims are raped by individuals they know. What you don’t realize is that it is dangerous to simply classify rape as a crime of passion and that the reasons that you are giving to explain a woman’s likelihood of being raped are largely based upon your criteria of that woman’s “f***ability” (yeah, I just made up a word).

blerlgh nvm being silly

Last post before I go to bed, and hopefully in this thread unless someone goes out of their way to provoke me further.

Originally Posted by Revolution1

"I think it is a common misconception that dress and appearance play a large role in your chances of being raped. I do not have any statistics, but think about it: If they did, only scantily clad, beautiful women (like those in the pictures you posted) would be raped."

Maybe not a large role, but not a negligible one either. You're using faulty logic here though. Yes, I believe clothing may affect your likelihood of being raped, but nowhere did I say that scantily-clad, beautiful women were the only ones targeted.

Originally Posted by Revolution1

"What can you say about the countless women who are raped in Middle Eastern countries? Forget about cleavage, a woman cannot even show her hair in many Muslim countries. What can you say about the babies, the little boys and girls, and the elderly who are sexually assaulted? Do you not see a pattern here? Look, if you are going to try to find reasons for rape, try to open your mind. All of the aforementioned groups of people are vulnerable and powerless."

While it wasn't explicitly stated anywhere in the topic, it was implied that we were basing the entire discussion around the "average", man-seeking-attractive-adult-woman rapist. If you'd like to discuss the Middle Eastern countries though, I'll first admit that I have little to no understanding of the culture there. That being said, my best explanation (and assumption) of their behaviour is that rapists there have more of a "take what you can get" mindset. If you were to ship a boatload of North American women there dressed the way they do in North America, I think they'd be much more likely to be targeted than the conservatively-dressed women (and children, but that's a whole other topic) in the Middle East.

Originally Posted by Revolution1

"I do not deny that if you dress provocatively, you will most likely attract attention (stares, catcalls, etc.). Taking precautions in order to not attract this sort of attention from seedy characters is certainly wise and should be encouraged. But, who knows what goes on in a rapist's mind? If a sicko is intent on raping and hurting someone, he will probably pursue his own twisted desires and fantasies, not go after the first scantily clad woman that he sees."

True enough, but I believe that the "average" rapist's fantasies would be closer to "I'd like to do bad things to that woman with half of her chest exposed" than "I'd like to do bad things to that woman wearing a turtleneck and snowpants".

Originally Posted by Revolution1

"Also, keep in mind that most victims are raped by individuals they know. What you don’t realize is that it is dangerous to simply classify rape as a crime of passion and that the reasons that you are giving to explain a woman’s likelihood of being raped are largely based upon your criteria of women’s “f***ability” (yeah, I just made up a word)."

Why are you putting words into my mouth? Nowhere did I classify rape as a crime of passion (though without reading the entire thread over again, I can't say the same for others), nor did I ever say that a woman's likelihood of being raped is largely based on their dress/"****ability". A small, yet key difference that you seem to be overlooking to enhance the magnitude of your argument. Also worth noting is that I'm extrapolating "my" criteria of a women's ****ability to the average rapist's (again, that would be a rapist with only a desire for an adult of the opposite gender, and without and particular desire for children/babies/elderlies).

Originally Posted by arathbon

Plenty of men go years if not their entire life without sex. I haven't kissed a girl in 9 months, and I'm not going out and forcing myself on people. Just saying you can't just say "Oh well, reproduction is a need. That's why rape occurs"

I don't see anyone stating that. Perhaps its late and you are misreading thing. The reproduction reason was to counter the suggestion that it is illogical for such action to occurred. It is not meant to be the ultimate cause for such behavior, which by the way is so complex that a different topic would be needed to do it justice.

You avoided my question completely but that is fine.

There are multiple discussions at hands but lets attempt to refocus the discussion back to the original thread.

From the poster that was posted, it clearly state that:

Make it known that those who experience sexual assault are never the ones at fault.

I know that before you edited your post, you disagreed to this. (Why did you edit it anyway? Scare of the backlashes for a non-conforming view? Maybe you should create a different account then and speak your mind. )

This statement on the poster is what I and many others (including your old past self) have a problem with.

Those that lack fitness qualities that would guarantee them a mate will need to find other means of reproduction. Coercive sex, also known as rape, is one of them.

As I said, somehow humans seem to be able to control that "need".

The reason why i deleted my posts was not because I disagreed with what you bolded. (In fact I agree with the statement that "those who experience sexual assault are never the ones at fault.") But the matter is incredibly complex and I don't feel able to answer without my words being misinterpreted. Quite frankly, I don't have the time to spend the next few days explaining myself in quote wars and that's why I deleted it.

Originally Posted by arathbon

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I think I saw you irl a few days ago