the emails and news updates from mac are obvi a little
<REMOVED BY MODERATOR> isnt wrong about that

Originally Posted by andrew22

the emails and news updates from mac are obvi a little
bullshitty ramirez isnt wrong about that

Let me tell you, I found them more helpfull and LESS biased than CUPE's material. But you know, we could all read The Spectator or The Sil (well maybe kind of) if we want third party reporting....

Please keep swears to a minimum and avoid directing them at other users.

Originally Posted by AYuen

Yeah, real fair and balanced there.

And you were the one trying to spearhead your own independent undergraduate support committee? Doesn't sound too independent to me. Independent is someone who can see the pros and cons from both sides and argue rationally without ranting.

Given how anti forced-union I am, I couldn't run the independent graduate support committee either. But then again, I never claimed I could.

Well I think our concepts of independent differ.
To me, it is organizing voluntarily, willingly and independently. I also emphasized in prior statements made about the committee that it does have a decisive and firm stance on the issue.

However the reason why I encourage students to read from both sources of information is because i have a tremendous amount of faith that students will realize they are being deceived at a level I've personally never experienced or seen before.

The information that most student inquire is primarily from the university website, which i assure you - and can prove - that it is all manipulated. I'm not talking about portraying a certain bias, I mean literally manipulating the language of information that is entirely misleading and portrays false conditions and circumstances. In simpler words - they are lies.

I recommend that if everyone decides to read from the university website, to also visit CUPEs bargaining blog : http://unit1bargaining.wordp ress.com

The only problem is that there is a tremendous amount of information to follow up on, that requires time to analyze in-depth.

Originally Posted by ramirez.a

Well I think our concepts of independent differ.
To me, it is organizing voluntarily, willingly and independently. I also emphasized in prior statements made about the committee that it does have a decisive and firm stance on the issue.

However the reason why I encourage students to read from both sources of information is because i have a tremendous amount of faith that students will realize they are being deceived at a level I've personally never experienced or seen before.

The information that most student inquire is primarily from the university website, which i assure you - and can prove - that it is all manipulated. I'm not talking about portraying a certain bias, I mean literally manipulating the language of information that is entirely misleading and portrays false conditions and circumstances. In simpler words - they are lies.

I recommend that if everyone decides to read from the university website, to also visit CUPEs bargaining blog : http://unit1bargaining.wordp ress.com

The only problem is that there is a tremendous amount of information to follow up on, that requires time to analyze in-depth.

Why is it that I've visited both sites, and with the skewed information each side may be providing, I have no clearer of an idea of what's going on than before. The amount of bias each side of this issue is providing is astounding to me, and frankly, I find it hard to be sympathetic for either CUPE, or McMaster, at this point. My deepest sympathy goes out to the TAs, however, who have to make the tough decision to stand by their union for something they believe in, stand by their union for something they don't, or cross the picket line to be frowned upon by their union, in an effort to keep us undergraduates unscathed by this mess.

Originally Posted by ramirez.a

The information that most student inquire is primarily from the university website, which i assure you - and can prove - that it is all manipulated. I'm not talking about portraying a certain bias, I mean literally manipulating the language of information that is entirely misleading and portrays false conditions and circumstances. In simpler words - they are lies.

Go for it then.

Until you back up your rants with actual facts (numbers!), I will not get in a pissing match with you regarding who is lying more. I've already given several examples of shady dealings by CUPE 3906, all of which were backed up by written statements.

Originally Posted by ramirez.a

Well I think our concepts of independent differ.
To me, it is organizing voluntarily, willingly and independently. I also emphasized in prior statements made about the committee that it does have a decisive and firm stance on the issue.

However the reason why I encourage students to read from both sources of information is because i have a tremendous amount of faith that students will realize they are being deceived at a level I've personally never experienced or seen before.

The information that most student inquire is primarily from the university website, which i assure you - and can prove - that it is all manipulated. I'm not talking about portraying a certain bias, I mean literally manipulating the language of information that is entirely misleading and portrays false conditions and circumstances. In simpler words - they are lies.

I recommend that if everyone decides to read from the university website, to also visit CUPEs bargaining blog : http://unit1bargaining.wordp ress.com

The only problem is that there is a tremendous amount of information to follow up on, that requires time to analyze in-depth.

You're absolutely right, we should read from both sources.

Read this, and tell me why I shouldn't believe it. I warn you though, it's pretty scathing.

http://www.workingatmcmaster .ca/li...aight-1-42.pdf

Originally Posted by ramirez.a

... that's not surprising.

The university admin are not idiots, they are clever professionals. They know how to sway public opinion, and have done a remarkable job at it.

Who would have thought that not blocking off traffic, not interfering with classes and not swearing at students would help sway public opinion in a positive manner?

Originally Posted by Taunton

Okay there conspiracy theory. You're worse than the 'moon landing was a hoax' people.

DON"TYOUREALIZETHEREI SNOWINDONTHEMOON!?!?! !