They have other opportunities to recruit students that do not use up class time, such as the upcoming (or has it passed?) career fair in MUSC.

Originally Posted by aaront

Question: How will this affect legit employers doing recruiting in classrooms? For instance, IBM likes to sometimes show up and talk about some recruiting event every year.

let's not compare IBM to College Pro Painters

Originally Posted by aaront

Question: How will this affect legit employers doing recruiting in classrooms? For instance, IBM likes to sometimes show up and talk about some recruiting event every year.

There's an exceptionally large difference. IBM is a trusted corporation that has been dealing with McMaster for years. College Painters Pro is a nuisance around campus for litter and making money directly off of students by conning them into literally buying into their program.

Originally Posted by lawleypop

Oh, look at that. The MSU not being effective.

Hmm, I'm not sure about this. In order to address this we really need a concerted effort from students. A lot of students have been emailing me with the course code/professor name, and I've sent the professor an email letting them know about student concerns and requesting that they no longer allow such announcements to be made. The response has been quite positive.

In order to eradicate CollegePro (and similar organizations) from classrooms it will take a bit of time ... the University cannot unilaterally impose anything due to instructional autonomy. Therefore I think the best way is for students, collectively, to voice their concerns to professors. I've e-mailed the professors of several large geography and chemistry classes so far, and we can be pretty sure their lecture halls will never have another CollegePro representative.

From what I've heard, they tend to ramp up their efforts in February, and they come back every semester. If we are to work together on this, we can increasingly minimize the number of professors who allow this to happen. Like with any lobby effort, these things take time...

Also, there isn't much we can do about CollegePro booking tables and rooms in MUSC unless we wanted to ban them altogether, but I think the most important thing is to ensure they aren't taking up the valuable class time that you pay for.

Mary

I don't understand why people technically need the MSU to stamp their posters to be put up around campus but you can't send out a mass email to all profs saying not to let CP and other garbage make announcements.

So putting up flyers without approval of the MSU is a big nono but going around to our classes that some of us pay 650 dollars for is okay?

Originally Posted by lawleypop

I don't understand why people technically need the MSU to stamp their posters to be put up around campus but you can't send out a mass email to all profs saying not to let CP and other garbage make announcements.

So putting up flyers without approval of the MSU is a big nono but going around to our classes that some of us pay 650 dollars for is okay?

haters gonna hate

Originally Posted by lawleypop

I don't understand why people technically need the MSU to stamp their posters to be put up around campus but you can't send out a mass email to all profs saying not to let CP and other garbage make announcements.

So putting up flyers without approval of the MSU is a big nono but going around to our classes that some of us pay 650 dollars for is okay?

You're someone who looks at anything you think is stupid and yells "WOW THATS SO STUPID" but never actually offers a solution. Exactly how do you propose to do something. I'm sure if you come up with an idea that nobody else has thought about. Actually this goes for everyone.

If someone comes up with a solution to such problems that hasn't been thought of, or tried before, I am sure Mary will agree to champion that cause.

Originally Posted by deadpool

You're someone who looks at anything you think is stupid and yells "WOW THATS SO STUPID" but never actually offers a solution. Exactly how do you propose to do something. I'm sure if you come up with an idea that nobody else has thought about. Actually this goes for everyone.

If someone comes up with a solution to such problems that hasn't been thought of, or tried before, I am sure Mary will agree to champion that cause.

qqing still, i see.

Um, what exactly is the problem with mass-emailing the professors? Because it's used for "emergencies?" What does that even ****ing mean?

Yes, E-MAIL THE PROFS.
Ban them outright from coming to class. Like I just asked, why are they not allowed to put posters up without permission but they can come to classes? What exactly is your response to that? Because unless I'm mistaken about that policy (which I only know about because of MSU clubs and members), then you haven't provided any better of an answer.






(ps keep making assumptions they're lulzworthy)
(also, the fact that you completely twist everything around is even better. My original comment is ONLY to the fact that students have spoken, have said they DON'T want these sham companies coming around and wasting our time and money, and Mary's efforts were futile. Am I condemning her for trying? No. It's just funny that we have proof that the MSU can't giterdun)

Originally Posted by deadpool

You're someone who looks at anything you think is stupid and yells "WOW THATS SO STUPID" but never actually offers a solution. Exactly how do you propose to do something. I'm sure if you come up with an idea that nobody else has thought about. Actually this goes for everyone.

If someone comes up with a solution to such problems that hasn't been thought of, or tried before, I am sure Mary will agree to champion that cause.

Just want to point out that she said:
Quote:

Originally Posted by lawleypop
I don't understand why people technically need the MSU to stamp their posters to be put up around campus but you can't send out a mass email to all profs saying not to let CP and other garbage make announcements.
So putting up flyers without approval of the MSU is a big nono but going around to our classes that some of us pay 650 dollars for is okay?

So her solution is to email the profs.

Originally Posted by micadjems

Just want to point out that she said:
Quote:

So her solution is to email the profs.

I'm glad the Engineer can read.

(Not bashing on your faculty, trying to make a point about his )
(iirc, he's in polisci or something)

And if you really want me to elaborate, I will.

How is e-mailing the professors of ONLY students that complain effective? I'm sure by the time action is taken or when it's time for CollegePro to come around again, these SPECIFIC students will already be in different classes and will probably be subjected to more sham advertising because... WAIT FOR IT. Their new specific instructor hasn't yet received the e-mail.

So yes, a mass-email WOULD WORK because ALL the profs would be told the exact same thing. ALL the profs reaches ALL the students. And yes, unfortunately a lot of us are apathetic and won't take time to send an e-mail about our specific course that had advertisers come to, but isn't that something politicians normally take into consideration?

I understand your argument, but the MSU doesn't have access to a list of all the faculty members. I agree that this would be the easiest solution, but those who do have access are unwilling to use it. It goes against their policy.

So my solution? Exhaust all other possible avenues so that if it does not work, I can go back with a stronger case. I'm still providing pressure for a mass email to be sent out, but in the interim I'd rather do something than nothing.

As for why posters require an MSU stamp, that is mostly a protective mechanism for students. So that means poster spaces are mostly reserved for students and student initiatives rather than companies looking to advertise. You can bet that if we removed this requirement the campus would soon become an advertising haven and student groups and their events would be drowned out.

Originally Posted by lawleypop

And if you really want me to elaborate, I will.

How is e-mailing the professors of ONLY students that complain effective? I'm sure by the time action is taken or when it's time for CollegePro to come around again, these SPECIFIC students will already be in different classes and will probably be subjected to more sham advertising because... WAIT FOR IT. Their new specific instructor hasn't yet received the e-mail.

So yes, a mass-email WOULD WORK because ALL the profs would be told the exact same thing. ALL the profs reaches ALL the students. And yes, unfortunately a lot of us are apathetic and won't take time to send an e-mail about our specific course that had advertisers come to, but isn't that something politicians normally take into consideration?

That's such a simple and logical idea. The only problem is that it's already been proposed and taken to the Associate Dean (by the MSU that you keep insisting is useless/incompetent). The administration refused the idea and Mary was forced to take things into her own hands (i.e. Pass on complaints to the Profs). The MSU has addressed this issue as best it can, any complaints you still have about it should be directed towards the Administration that refused your idea, not the MSU who've already tried to do exactly what you're suggesting.

Originally Posted by Tailsnake

That's such a simple and logical idea. The only problem is that it's already been proposed and taken to the Associate Dean (by the MSU that you keep insisting is useless/incompetent). The administration refused the idea and Mary was forced to take things into her own hands (i.e. Pass on complaints to the Profs). The MSU has addressed this issue as best it can, any complaints you still have about it should be directed towards the Administration that refused your idea, not the MSU who've already tried to do exactly what you're suggesting.

If I could rub my crystal ball and be informed of every event/decision that goes on in the MSU, I would. Maybe next time she should be a little bit more detailed.

But thanks for the update.

lawley you're in commerce, please stfu