I thought that was a paper fire symbol (not sure what the Engineering symbol is) and didn't really understand the introduction of combustion

off-topic... Bushra, how'd you find Stats today?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMaste..._E ngineering You can see the symbol here.

Originally Posted by Husnia

In all honesty, I'm kind of confused as to the comments towards the Commerce reps, mostly with Faculty Day.
Yes, we are not as active with the events such as Shinerama as the other faculties are. That's true.
BUT, we are just as proud of our faculty as the others are. We cheer wherever we go, rep our faculty as much as we can. Some of the comments here are making it sound like Commerce does absolutely nothing. Kind of harsh, people.
On a side note, Faculty Day has always been eventful. Everything is planned out for the frosh and the reps do all they can to make them feel welcome and for them to have as much fun as they can. We had numerous activities planned for them, which it seemed as if everyone enjoyed. Some kids I saw started to leave after food was served because they thought it was over, so the rest of the reps had to inform everyone that there was more left, and then everyone stayed.

Anyways, on a final note, Commerce cares just as much as other faculties. Just because we don't join in on Shinerama, doesn't mean that we don't care.
And I can say all this, because I am a Greensuit. And I'm really wondering who this first year's group leaders were if they weren't enthusiastic.
And LASTLY (I know, one more), you can't really compare with the Engineers. I will fully admit that the Engineers are by far the most enthusiastic and ridiculously insane reps on campus. No one can really compare.

I want to address this. I have always had problems with the Greensuits for many different things that they do not do. Here's my breakdown of the problems I have, and I've heard. This isn't bashing as much as an honest opinion on what to fix.

1) A lot of reps are there for the wrong reasons - Every single year, without fail, a large part of the greensuit team walks around on campus either smoking, on their phone, or promoting for some barnight or the other.

This year, was no exception. While a small amount of reps did put in the elbow grease and really helped out at places, a good number just walked around campus acting like social butterflies.

The DCS President, and VP Finance have both said that their team this year was not motivated, which led to them stealing the Soc Sci guy mascot, and cutting down the Soc Soi (sic) Frat House banner trying to pump the team up.

2) Too much emphasis is placed on the "we're the best" and not enough on why you are. - Commerce students have a holier than thou attitude. Hell, I had it in my first year. While I'm not against faculty pride, the first years need to feel like their reps are legitimately awesome for them to not come off totally arrogant. A lot of people miss the point of faculty rivalries and turn it into a point of contention. In the end, we're all paying a lot to get ****ed by McMaster and we need to celebrate our individuality and not demean other faculties with hurtful stereotypes. In my first year Commerce faculty day I walked away thinking that my rez reps were so much cooler because our group leader Greensuits didn't even talk to any of us at all except to tell us to always hold our drink in our left hand.

(Case in point, I was just on DC++ while some idiot kept talking about how much harder Engineering is than Humanities and how Humanities students should be kicked out for being quite dumb etc.)

3) I feel as if too much time is spent thinking on how best to get drunk, and not how best to motivate first years. - PJ Parade is proof of this. I saw more Greensuits in the crowd drinking (good reps even) than actually on the parade route. I mean, one or two randoms is one thing, but when you have a rep team of 50 with 8 people actually doing the parade... and 42 standing together hammered... eee..

Also, stay away from benches.

4) No altruism - Straight up, Greensuits are out for themselves and that's it. Yes, I get it, you're business students and it's a cutthroat world, but it's also Welcome Week. If I'm trying to move two suitcases up stairs and you have nothing to do, come help me. If I'm trying to get some reps to help with something at PJ Parade, don't walk away because I'm not your direct supervisor. Last year, as a planner, I asked for the simplest of tasks to be done by a group of Greensuits and was told to **** off. Not cool.

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A lot of faculties have these problems from year to year, but Commerce seems to have them every year I've been at Mac, and I think it sucks for first years who come in wanting to be the best. There's a good core group of people who want to cheer, and want to do WW properly, but that's the minority.

Jake, let's Facebook it You can find me pretty easily under Bushra Muhammad Habib.

I find your post ironic Rohan (but not because I disagree with you, quite the opposite) but because I realised that some of the green suits contradict themselves.

If you don't mind me asking, what made you switch over from Commerce to Political Science and Economics?

Originally Posted by goodnews.inc

If you don't mind me asking, what made you switch over from Commerce to Political Science and Economics?

When I came to Mac I really didn't know what I wanted to do, but I had enjoyed DECA, and thought that a high flying career in business was the way to go, but after being in it I came to realise that I enjoyed the subject matter of my electives a lot more than those of the business classes.

I like the open-endedness and theory based learning of Social Science a lot better than the pure "we need to maximise profit through proper management" schemes of the business world.

Plus, I want to be an antitrust lawyer, so might as well have fun with undergrad as opposed to sitting through accounting...

Originally Posted by deadpool

so might as well have fun with undergrad as opposed to sitting through accounting...

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Originally Posted by goodnews.inc

I find your post ironic Rohan (but not because I disagree with you, quite the opposite) but because I realised that some of the green suits contradict themselves.

If you don't mind me asking, what made you switch over from Commerce to Political Science and Economics?

Lol You will be turned into an awesome Soc "SOIIIII" very very soon I can see the transformation already

I have similar reasons to Rohan for choosing Soc Soii. I came to Mac as an International Student(who have an easier time being admitted) with an average and extra curricular record that could have gotten me into any faculty. But I never even considered commerce because for me in life there are far too many things that need to be explored and moralities to be answered before you consider yourselves "educated". A degree is a piece of paper; it is not an "education" until you become a different person.


So when I heard Commies chanting to us: "Was it your first choice?" (In reference to the fact that apparently all of us wanted to go to commerce :S) That reaaallly ticked me off! Pretentiousness exemplified...

An MBA would get me similarish skills I would get by doing four years as a Commie. Plus I hate accounting with a passion
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But yeah as far as effective rep teams are concerned; it is a two pronged thing a) The Leadership must be strong and effective and must constantly motivate every single rep to do their very best; There is NO WAY a SocSci rep could have been allowed to drink during the day. I was highly impressed by our Leaders Sarah Sullivan and Ian Finlay. b)That sort of trickled down to the rep team as well, I will admit that the Soc Soii team wasn't the the most competitively put together. Because we need soo many reps because of the size of our frosh we had to take most of our applicants! Hence there were a number of reps that went AWOL in the summer because they had randomly signed up! Plus others who were committed to Socs/Maroons/Rez.

Hence eventually we were one dwindling group; yet we had positive attitude. Husnia you think your faculty day went well. But can you honestly say that every single rep was giving their 100% out there hustling every single day?

Originally Posted by deadpool

I want to address this. I have always had problems with the Greensuits for many different things that they do not do. Here's my breakdown of the problems I have, and I've heard. This isn't bashing as much as an honest opinion on what to fix.

1) A lot of reps are there for the wrong reasons - Every single year, without fail, a large part of the greensuit team walks around on campus either smoking, on their phone, or promoting for some barnight or the other.

This year, was no exception. While a small amount of reps did put in the elbow grease and really helped out at places, a good number just walked around campus acting like social butterflies.

The DCS President, and VP Finance have both said that their team this year was not motivated, which led to them stealing the Soc Sci guy mascot, and cutting down the Soc Soi (sic) Frat House banner trying to pump the team up.

2) Too much emphasis is placed on the "we're the best" and not enough on why you are. - Commerce students have a holier than thou attitude. Hell, I had it in my first year. While I'm not against faculty pride, the first years need to feel like their reps are legitimately awesome for them to not come off totally arrogant. A lot of people miss the point of faculty rivalries and turn it into a point of contention. In the end, we're all paying a lot to get ****ed by McMaster and we need to celebrate our individuality and not demean other faculties with hurtful stereotypes. In my first year Commerce faculty day I walked away thinking that my rez reps were so much cooler because our group leader Greensuits didn't even talk to any of us at all except to tell us to always hold our drink in our left hand.

(Case in point, I was just on DC++ while some idiot kept talking about how much harder Engineering is than Humanities and how Humanities students should be kicked out for being quite dumb etc.)

3) I feel as if too much time is spent thinking on how best to get drunk, and not how best to motivate first years. - PJ Parade is proof of this. I saw more Greensuits in the crowd drinking (good reps even) than actually on the parade route. I mean, one or two randoms is one thing, but when you have a rep team of 50 with 8 people actually doing the parade... and 42 standing together hammered... eee..

Also, stay away from benches.

4) No altruism - Straight up, Greensuits are out for themselves and that's it. Yes, I get it, you're business students and it's a cutthroat world, but it's also Welcome Week. If I'm trying to move two suitcases up stairs and you have nothing to do, come help me. If I'm trying to get some reps to help with something at PJ Parade, don't walk away because I'm not your direct supervisor. Last year, as a planner, I asked for the simplest of tasks to be done by a group of Greensuits and was told to **** off. Not cool.

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A lot of faculties have these problems from year to year, but Commerce seems to have them every year I've been at Mac, and I think it sucks for first years who come in wanting to be the best. There's a good core group of people who want to cheer, and want to do WW properly, but that's the minority.

Yes, I will quote your entire comment, haha.
First off, I can't really comment on anything relating to Greensuits other than this year. It was my first year being a rep, and last year I wasn't able to attend most of the events during Welcome Week because of personal issues. So keep that in mind.
Alright, let's go with each of your points.
1) Yes. There are a good amount of Greensuits who don't put in as much effort as others. It's pretty unfortunate, and even some of us other reps have realized that. Our coordinators did a great job this year, but I mean, when some people aren't as devoted to being a Greensuit there's not much that you can really do. Also, I'm pretty sure our DCS President got into quite a bit of trouble for ripping that Frat sign off, haha. And no, it didn't pump up some as much as it should've, but there was still quite a bit of spirit amongst other reps.
2) There is a difference between friendly rivalry and bashing. From what I've seen this year, there was no bashing. Hell, we have friends in many other rep groups. I mean, come on, Commerce was stuck with Engineers for move in on Saturday! Everyone knows the huge rivalry between the two, but there was no hostility between us. Pretty sure a few of us rep'd Ash's 'Swingin' my nuts' cheer all week. If your'e a rep, you know what I'm talking about, haha. Pretty sure you don't even have to be a rep to know too.
3) Didn't go to the parade, so can't exactly comment on this. But I do know that many reps didn't attend. Also, pretty sure our coordinators would've freaked out on us if we were drinking in our suits. That's a HUGE no no. So I'm kind of iffy on that point.
Last couple points, I'm still iffy on. Yes, as I said before, there are some Greensuits who didn't do much. It's pretty unfortunate. As a first time rep, I noticed that and am looking forward to being a rep next year to see some changes happen. Many other reps are on the same level as I am too. But you need to understand that a good amount of us worked very, VERY hard to make this welcome week amazing for the first years. That goes for our frosh and other faculties as well. No, we don't revolve everything around drinking with your left hand (which, by the way, isn't just about alcohol). It is, however, a very important factor in being in business and relating towards networking.
But let me get this out there. Commerce reps DO care. We do rep our faculty and make sure that our frosh have the time of their lives in their first week of university. Yes, we do party. No, we're not constantly drunk 24/7. I originally commented on this thread because of the unnecessary bashing on Commerce reps. I don't care what past experiences people have had with our faculty, there really is no need for everyone to start going off on one faculty in general. That is not what Mac is about. That's not what being a rep is about.

Originally Posted by huzaifa47

Lol You will be turned into an awesome Soc "SOIIIII" very very soon I can see the transformation already

I have similar reasons to Rohan for choosing Soc Soii. I came to Mac as an International Student(who have an easier time being admitted) with an average and extra curricular record that could have gotten me into any faculty. But I never even considered commerce because for me in life there are far too many things that need to be explored and moralities to be answered before you consider yourselves "educated". A degree is a piece of paper; it is not an "education" until you become a different person.


So when I heard Commies chanting to us: "Was it your first choice?" (In reference to the fact that apparently all of us wanted to go to commerce :S) That reaaallly ticked me off! Pretentiousness exemplified...

An MBA would get me similarish skills I would get by doing four years as a Commie. Plus I hate accounting with a passion
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But yeah as far as effective rep teams are concerned; it is a two pronged thing a) The Leadership must be strong and effective and must constantly motivate every single rep to do their very best; There is NO WAY a SocSci rep could have been allowed to drink during the day. I was highly impressed by our Leaders Sarah Sullivan and Ian Finlay. b)That sort of trickled down to the rep team as well, I will admit that the Soc Soii team wasn't the the most competitively put together. Because we need soo many reps because of the size of our frosh we had to take most of our applicants! Hence there were a number of reps that went AWOL in the summer because they had randomly signed up! Plus others who were committed to Socs/Maroons/Rez.

Hence eventually we were one dwindling group; yet we had positive attitude. Husnia you think your faculty day went well. But can you honestly say that every single rep was giving their 100% out there hustling every single day?

Huzaifa, no, I can't say that. But can you say that your faculty did as well? There are always those reps that don't put in as much as others in every single rep group, no matter it being a faculty or residence. I have admitted that already. But it's necessary to realize that it's NOT only commerce reps. It's the entire population of McMaster reps in general.

Originally Posted by Husnia

Huzaifa, no, I can't say that. But can you say that your faculty did as well? There are always those reps that don't put in as much as others in every single rep group, no matter it being a faculty or residence. I have admitted that already. But it's necessary to realize that it's NOT only commerce reps. It's the entire population of McMaster reps in general.

Yes I can say that!

Sure there were a few who had other priorities with other organizations but the
majority like 90% were an absolute force! Even if someone wanted to slack off they would stand out amongst the others who were sitting for hours doing banners/prank props/bedracing or airbands practice...if they weren't cheering they would stand out amongst all of the reps who wanted to nail down the spirit side of the cup.

We won the Faculty Cup with a good margin against HealthSci and probably a massive massive overall point difference against Commerce.

So yeah with that result in mind I can say that our reps did a bloody good job as a team!

And as for your rebuttal to Rohans post; you keep mentioning that "yes there were a few who weren't upto the mark" in several places; isn't that self contradictory? "few" being a confound! But yeah you probably sound like someone who cares alot about your position as a rep(I think I even remember you being active for Commies on FB) but it is only unfortunate that the overall atmosphere isn't the same.

Originally Posted by huzaifa47

Yes I can say that!

Sure there were a few who had other priorities with other organizations but the
majority like 90% were an absolute force! Even if someone wanted to slack off they would stand out amongst the others who were sitting for hours doing banners/prank props/bedracing or airbands practice...if they weren't cheering they would stand out amongst all of the reps who wanted to nail down the spirit side of the cup.

We won the Faculty Cup with a good margin against HealthSci and probably a massive massive overall point difference against Commerce.

So yeah with that result in mind I can say that our reps did a bloody good job as a team!

And as for your rebuttal to Rohans post; you keep mentioning that "yes there were a few who weren't upto the mark" in several places; isn't that self contradictory? "few" being a confound! But yeah you probably sound like someone who cares alot about your position as a rep(I think I even remember you being active for Commies on FB) but it is only unfortunate that the overall atmosphere isn't the same.

Haha, pretty sure Commies had no points Huzaifa.
You guys did a great job this year, I will admit. And I will hands down give you the benefit of the doubt that Soc Sci more than deserved the faculty cup.
BUT, this is where I'm coming from. Imagine coming into a public thread, and seeing that the main criticisms are being thrown at your faculty. It's harsh. And yes, I care a whole hell of a lot about my position as a Greensuit, so it's kind of upsetting when I read things like that. And I'll throw away the 'few' comment, because I did some thinking over the comments. There were a good half who didn't do anything. BUT, the other half of us worked our butts off to make the week memorable. Just keep that in mind.

And yes, I made the commerce 2013 group on FB in order to be there for any questions or concerns that the frosh had. And even til this day, that's what I do. And I don't regret it.

Lol it all started when a two commerce reps started saying "commies should have won it" anddd I was like WHAT?! Then a frosh re-confirmed that and it went on!

Originally Posted by huzaifa47

Lol it all started when a two commerce reps started saying "commies should have won it" anddd I was like WHAT?! Then a frosh re-confirmed that and it went on!

Whoa, what? You're kidding me, right? I'm really interested as to who said that, considering the fact that a shitload of us were talking about how we weren't winning anything during closing ceremonies.