smart people use warez or private torrents

Originally Posted by REPLEKIA/.

Downloading music is legal in canada. Only the upload of music is illegal. Canada is weird/awesome like that. Personally I'll still always buy music from my favourite artists though.

Clarification. Downloading music that you bought is legal. Downloading music that you didn't buy is illegal. Uploading music that isn't yours (meaning you didn't create it) is illegal.

In Canada, the government (and licensing companies) has the right to contact ISP's at any time, and them for a list of IP addresses of people who downloaded any file that the have licensed and copyrighted, and proceed to file a lawsuit. There is no law preventing it.

Replekia, I really want to know where you get your facts from. Where did you learn that d/ling music is legal is Canada?

EDIT: Nvm..I read it. But I still don't believe it. I mean, they have every right to sue you if you infringed on copyrights.

Honestly, there is so much worse going on in this world compared to downloading music illegally. We all do it, that's reality. But really, if governments start looking at lists of who downloaded music and start charging them, that's just a waste of time. Time that they can use to do things that are ACTUALLY useful and beneficial. Unless they need money that bad to charge $62000 for like 4 minutes. That's just beyond ridiculous..

Originally Posted by ~*Sara*~

Honestly, there is so much worse going on in this world compared to downloading music illegally. We all do it, that's reality. But really, if governments start looking at lists of who downloaded music and start charging them, that's just a waste of time. Time that they can use to do things that are ACTUALLY useful and beneficial. Unless they need money that bad to charge $62000 for like 4 minutes. That's just beyond ridiculous..

That's not the point. The point is people have infringed on copyrights. They have every right to take action. A wrong is still a wrong, no matter how big or small, even if everyone is doing it. We know it's wrong, and we still go ahead and d/l...so you can't complain if action is taken against you.

Originally Posted by SilentWalker

Replekia, I really want to know where you get your facts from. Where did you learn that d/ling music is legal is Canada?

EDIT: Nvm..I read it. But I still don't believe it. I mean, they have every right to sue you if you infringed on copyrights.

I forget all the fine details but it's more or less a loophole in canadian law that allows for only the downlaod of music. Here's a quote on the topic

“Downloading music for personal use, or non-profit use is no longer targeted, and is legal.” Noël St-Hilaire, head of copyright theft investigations of the RCMP, said in an interview with Le Devoir.
St-Hilaire explained that they would rather focus on crimes that actually hurt consumers such as copyright violations related to medicine and electrical appliances, as well as ones that affect organized crime.

I'm not going to lie, I d/l music of the net also. But that's only because I don't have a credit card. I'd gladly pay for my music as soon as I get myself a cc. Music is so cheap, like a buck a song off iTunes. Even if you only listen to it once...it's just a buck! And if you listen to it over and over again, it's priceless. I'd tell you, quite a bit of the music I listen to, you can put price tag on it.

Thing is, people are just lazy. They'd rather spend a hundred bucks on a pair of shoes that they might only wear once, or even a bag or whatever, but not a buck to buy a song? There really isn't any excuse.

There's always been a grey area in downloading because the industry is living in the past and is only now starting to catch up and adapt to advancing technology. Had the industry realized the potential of the internet to spread their wares, instead of trying to crush the idea, they could be making millions and we would have much cheaper access to media. Instead, we've all become used to down,loading and so their efforts to get in on the market are becoming much harder. For example, that sites that offer legal TV streaming still make revenue from the use of ads-that's adapting. But the thing is it might be too little too late. They needed to make those kinds of moves way sooner.

Originally Posted by SilentWalker

I'm not going to lie, I d/l music of the net also. But that's only because I don't have a credit card. I'd gladly pay for my music as soon as I get myself a cc. Music is so cheap, like a buck a song off iTunes. Even if you only listen to it once...it's just a buck! And if you listen to it over and over again, it's priceless. I'd tell you, quite a bit of the music I listen to, you can put price tag on it.

Quoted for truth, my good man. I always buy the music I download that I end up really liking to support the artist. That being said I have 80 gigs of music but only 300 songs I really enjoy...

also I found the bit on why it's legal to DL for anyone else who's interested

Originally Posted by Wikipedia's Article on File Sharing in Canada

For a brief period in 2004/2005, the sharing of copyrighted music files via peer-to-peer online systems was explicitly legal, due to a decision by the Federal Court, in BMG Canada Inc. v. John Doe.[9][10] Under certain conditions both downloading and uploading were held to be legal. Specifically, paragraphs [24] and [25] of the decision[11] stated that Section 80(1) of the Copyright Act allows downloading of musical works for personal use. This section specifically applied to musical works and therefore the decision made no determination as to the legality of downloading other forms of copyrighted works.

Originally Posted by REPLEKIA/.

I forget all the fine details but it's more or less a loophole in canadian law that allows for only the downlaod of music. Here's a quote on the topic

“Downloading music for personal use, or non-profit use is no longer targeted, and is legal.” Noël St-Hilaire, head of copyright theft investigations of the RCMP, said in an interview with Le Devoir.
St-Hilaire explained that they would rather focus on crimes that actually hurt consumers such as copyright violations related to medicine and electrical appliances, as well as ones that affect organized crime.

Yea I read it. But note the wording. No longer 'targeted'. That doesn't mean it isn't illegal. It just means that the consequences (will never be the same?) won't be as severe in Canada, or just because it takes to much resources to track people who have downloaded music. It's mush easier and reliable to track uploads. Plus, the people who're doing the wrong are the one's who uploaded the illegal content in the first place.

And that's where torrents come it. All torrent clients seed your downloads. Even if you set your seed ratio as low as possible, you still can't set it to zero. This means that for everything you download off a torrent, you have uploaded a portion of it, giving licensing companies grounds to sue you.

Originally Posted by SilentWalker

Yea I read it. But note the wording. No longer 'targeted'. That doesn't mean it isn't illegal.

please read 3 more words into the quote: "and is legal"

Originally Posted by REPLEKIA/.

please read 3 more words into the quote: "and is legal"

Oh lol. Yikes. sorry.

Originally Posted by SilentWalker

Oh lol. Yikes. sorry.

Easy mistake to make. Don't worry about it.

the torrents reasoning still stands though.

Originally Posted by SilentWalker

the torrents reasoning still stands though.

there are a few clients where you can enable zero upload, but they get crappy DL speeds as most other major clients reject their users from downloading from them. Your reasoning is entirely correct and is why torrents are fairly risky in comparison to other methods.