I'm actually not JUST referring to Joey Coleman, I'm speaking to all those who belittle McMaster and chose not to provide constructive criticism. It is fine for people to point out the flaws and cracks in the system, but their time spent blogging about problems could be better spent providing or suggesting solutions.

Originally Posted by Matt Wright

I'm actually not JUST referring to Joey Coleman, I'm speaking to all those who belittle McMaster and chose not to provide constructive criticism. It is fine for people to point out the flaws and cracks in the system, but their time spent blogging about problems could be better spent providing or suggesting solutions.

"egotistical blog" really makes it seem like you're singling out Joey Coleman for criticizing McMaster.

And as much as you don't like it, he's part of the press, and he's free to write what he wants as long it conforms to a set a journalistic ethics.

It's not his job to provide constructive criticism. So I don't see the point in your attacking him (rather personally I might add), and anyone else who criticizes the student government of McMaster.

You've taken a position of leadership, you should learn to weather the criticism you get and to use it to improve.

That's why people have elected you.

I dunno, my blog is all about me too so he could be talking about me...

Works either way

I still think the argument that people shouldn't be criticizing McMaster etc is rather lame. Just because people criticize certain aspects doesn't mean they don't like it here. Nothing is perfect.

Also students are paying a lot of money to come here. They should be able to voice their opinion on matters that are of concern to them. Just because they might not have a solution of their own doesn't mean there isn't a problem.

I can understand when you say dont criticize without also offering suggestions, but there is not always something to suggest. Sometimes people just need to point things out (not to say that blind criticism of everything is right)

Originally Posted by Chris.Martin

I'm sorry if you're unhappy with the result, and you're absolutely right that the key to winning the MSU Presidency is a well organized campaign team.

Oh believe me Chris there are other ways there are other ways and it almost worked last year .........

Originally Posted by Jonespt

Oh believe me Chris there are other ways there are other ways and it almost worked last year .........

tell me how so I can do it!

Originally Posted by Chris.Martin

Just a quick correction Joey.

As a person involved in the MSU, i can tell you that not everybody wanted Vishal. Elvikis is the current finance commissioner of the SRA, Joy is a former SRA member, and Terry is the MSU PR assistant. Hopper was also an MSU employee. I know and think highly of all of them (I know many in the MSU were torn between them/other candidates).

I, along with three others, organized Vishal's campaign. As an SRA member, I'm also a full time student (I get no year off), and I sacrificed school, my social life, and pretty much all my spare time over the past four weeks to organize an effective campaign.

I'm sorry if you're unhappy with the result, and you're absolutely right that the key to winning the MSU Presidency is a well organized campaign team.

However, the membership of the campaign was mostly non-MSU employees (Vish's/my friends). Nobody on the team had any special advantage in terms of "availability" (except for Vishal himself), and everybody made sacrifices to ensure that this was a victory.

We won because we had an *extremely* dedicated team (who I'm extremely proud of), not because of some huge insider conspiracy. Not everyone in the MSU supported Vishal.

Hey Joey,

To further Chris's point, I was also a part of Vishal's team. I am not only a fulltime student who is NOT affilated with ANY part of the MSU or other related clubs, I commute to Mac and work a parttime job. As Chris said, Vish had a DEDICATED team! It would be nice to be able to take time off from everything, however I sense that you believe Vish only won due to his campaign team being comprised only of MSU members. I personally take that as an insult as I clearly gave up a lot of my free time AND spent extra money on gas driving to mac on days that I would normally not, OR coming back to school after work etc. For you to belittle not only me, but other members of Vish's team who I know also work and go to school fulltime is disgusting. We did not have free availability to just focus on the campaign to give us this supposed advantage you are proposing, we all truly believe in vish and gave the best effort we could. As i read in another thread, you are taking online classes not even from Mac? SO i am assuming you werent around campus to see all the hardwork we put in. Before you start passing judgement that is above your position, you should realize you are now an outsider to the mcmaster community as the information you seem to be gathering is not first hand and you are not on campus to really be able to give an opinion that is of a correct state.

Originally Posted by C. Nardo

Hey Joey,

To further Chris's point, I was also a part of Vishal's team. I am not only a fulltime student who is NOT affilated with ANY part of the MSU or other related clubs, I commute to Mac and work a parttime job. As Chris said, Vish had a DEDICATED team! It would be nice to be able to take time off from everything, however I sense that you believe Vish only won due to his campaign team being comprised only of MSU members. I personally take that as an insult as I clearly gave up a lot of my free time AND spent extra money on gas driving to mac on days that I would normally not, OR coming back to school after work etc. For you to belittle not only me, but other members of Vish's team who I know also work and go to school fulltime is disgusting. We did not have free availability to just focus on the campaign to give us this supposed advantage you are proposing, we all truly believe in vish and gave the best effort we could. As i read in another thread, you are taking online classes not even from Mac? SO i am assuming you werent around campus to see all the hardwork we put in. Before you start passing judgement that is above your position, you should realize you are now an outsider to the mcmaster community as the information you seem to be gathering is not first hand and you are not on campus to really be able to give an opinion that is of a correct state.

oh man, I'm glad you told us how hard you worked.

Originally Posted by C. Nardo

Before you start passing judgement that is above your position

what does this mean?

Originally Posted by C. Nardo

you should realize you are now an outsider to the mcmaster community

that's right Joey, you're an outsider, how can you even talk to us?

oh man, I'm glad you told us how hard you worked.

I honestly hope that wasn't sarcasm. I also took offence to Joey's post that stated that Vishal's team was all MSU members etc. I was on Vishal's team as well, I'm no SRA member or anything along the lines. C. Nardo took offence as well and she stated it, I held back. Andrew, if you are being sarcastic in your little comment, you are being very offensive. Clear it up for me?

I realize there is an unhelpful notion of "MSU insider" that has played out in various discussion strands, but I respectfully remind everyone that all undergraduate students enrolled in 18 or more units in an academic session are "MSU members."

There are more than 19,000 of them. They each pay hundreds of dollars fees and are entitled to participate [or not] at their discretion. Most importantly, they are entitled to have their best interests represented in advocacy and delivery of services.

I like to believe that the contributors to these strands are all seeking, in their own way, to work for a culture of continuous improvement in THEIR student union. Let's keep in mind that being part of the MSU is something that properly describes all the membership --- not just those who happen to frequent MUSC Room 201.

Originally Posted by Dave.Moore

I realize there is an unhelpful notion of "MSU insider" that has played out in various discussion strands, but I respectfully remind everyone that all undergraduate students enrolled in 18 or more units in an academic session are "MSU members."

There are more than 19,000 of them.

Sadly only 2500 of those came out to vote :(

Sadly only 2500 of those came out to vote

Unfortunately not even 2500 people came out lol

Originally Posted by Dave.Moore

I realize there is an unhelpful notion of "MSU insider" that has played out in various discussion strands, but I respectfully remind everyone that all undergraduate students enrolled in 18 or more units in an academic session are "MSU members."

There are more than 19,000 of them. They each pay hundreds of dollars fees and are entitled to participate [or not] at their discretion. Most importantly, they are entitled to have their best interests represented in advocacy and delivery of services.

I like to believe that the contributors to these strands are all seeking, in their own way, to work for a culture of continuous improvement in THEIR student union. Let's keep in mind that being part of the MSU is something that properly describes all the membership --- not just those who happen to frequent MUSC Room 201.

Sorry Dave, you are right, i should have stated that i do not work for MSU or are on SRA!!!