So im sure everyone knows who anonymous are, or rather what they are. And even though i do not condone nor approve of "hacking" i do ... oh what the heck, i personally love how they hack government websites, and obtain information otherwise hidden from the public and leak it out to the world. they have recently become famous for their involvement in the states over the once PIPA and SOPA bills to which they retaliated by bringing down the sites of big blockbuster companies, the music industries sites, along with other government sites. they have also played there role here in Canada where they recently took down the police association's site in protest over bill C-30.
Just a few days ago rumours began to spread that anonymous had teamed up with wiki-leaks and a series of emails about the US governments involvement with stratfor, a global intelligence agency which claims not to associate itself with any one nation. This was in itself a huge move, but what's more is that with anonymous and wiki-leaks working together you now have a group capable of hacking and "stealing" the information from the worlds government working with a group that has the audience and the reach to release that information to everyone out there.
As of today though Interpol released statements that they arrested 25 individuals from anonymous. In response to this one of anonymous' divisions released a statement which basically read; "Interpol you cannot take anonymous, its an idea" and following this there were reports that Interpol site had crashed.
Anyways, i haven't really heard all that much on here or discussion about this group and im really interested in seeing what some of you think, some more so than others...
i personally dont think that this bust is going to have much of an affect on a "group" which is spread across the world and consists of an unknown mass of people. As for what they are doing and they way they carry about thier business, well even though i think it is wrong and they may have the potential to abuse the power that they have, what they have done to this date has in my mind been justifiable. they have not put anyone lives or a nation in danger, they have simply revealed the back-handedness of governments and stepped in to slow down or stop policies which would lead to invasion fo privacy, loss of freedom, etc. etc. ... iam also really interested in seeing where and how far this new relationship between anonymous and wiki-leaks goes. in the past anonymous has mostly just been responsible for the taken down of corporate and government sites and systems. But now with wiki-leaks i suspect that they will be hacking a lot more information and releasing it to the public.
so yea what do you guys think?....
do you support them?
what do you think about the new collaboration between anon and wiki'-leaks?
what of the busts? will this slow them down or stop them?
what do you think their next move will be>
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02-29-2012 at 11:44 PM
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Chev, I agree with you. Anonymous will never get eliminated, you just simply cannot catch everyone as it keeps growing.
03-01-2012 at 07:17 AM
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Chev, I agree with you. Anonymous will never get eliminated, you just simply cannot catch everyone as it keeps growing.
Anonymous is a weird situation/group because even the governments don't know how large it is and it's very sporadic. Unless any government has a group of elite hackers themselves, I don't know if they have the resources to get to all the members (however many that is) As for the wiki/Anonymous team up, that scares me a bit because if they hack and steal information from governments/organizations, what's stopping them from stealing our personal information that we think is safe?
Anonymous is a weird situation/group because even the governments don't know how large it is and it's very sporadic. Unless any government has a group of elite hackers themselves, I don't know if they have the resources to get to all the members (however many that is) As for the wiki/Anonymous team up, that scares me a bit because if they hack and steal information from governments/organizations, what's stopping them from stealing our personal information that we think is safe?
You answered your own question. Nothing is stopping them but they usually act for a reason (i.e. SOPA).
03-01-2012 at 07:55 AM
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You answered your own question. Nothing is stopping them but they usually act for a reason (i.e. SOPA).
I guess I did answer my own question now that I read it again.
03-01-2012 at 08:30 AM
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I guess I did answer my own question now that I read it again.
Haha. It happens.
03-01-2012 at 09:38 AM
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As if catching 25 people who jumped on the DDoS bandwagon is going to do anything. lol.
03-01-2012 at 09:48 AM
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Every time they bust a "member" of these groups it's always them catching a guy who ran an irc channel for them or did some other easily tracable, low-skill job for them and not actually the people doing the real work.
Anonymous is a weird situation/group because even the governments don't know how large it is and it's very sporadic. Unless any government has a group of elite hackers themselves, I don't know if they have the resources to get to all the members (however many that is).
It's always funny whenever the news does a report on Anonymous and labels them as "organized." They aren't. Most, if not all, of them operate independently and normally share a common ideology, which is why you can't "bust" Anonymous in the first place; it's a real-world stand alone complex. Their methods at times aren't even that eloquent, as Moghue pointed out. Anyone can launch a denial-of-service attack.
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As for the wiki/Anonymous team up, that scares me a bit because if they hack and steal information from governments/organizations, what's stopping them from stealing our personal information that we think is safe?
Anonymous typically works toward a common good, even if the groups primarily composing its body are notoriously shady. Whether it's battling corrupt governments and corporations, threatening drug cartels, or abolishing child pornography online. Besides, there are far worse entities spawned on the web.
Also, if you haven't seen the recent CNN report on Anonymous, you should. It's great for a laugh.
>"Darkest corners of the internet"
>That Feel thread
I pretty much agree with everything else in this thread. The problem with the MSM, old fat cats and the governmental agencies is in the past dealing with "terrorist sects" there has been clear hierarchy and the plan is usually to cut-off the head, and the body dies with it (or crush monetary supplies, resources, spread propaganda, etc). What we see with Anon and other 'hacktivists' is a completely lateral hierarchy through a very new and difficult medium to track; the internet. You can't simply tail one member in a car and see the meeting place and arrest individuals. You can't track funds being wired around (because there aren't really any funds xD), and you sure as hell can't spread propaganda since the 'terrorist sect' is actually ON THE INTERNET which is every agencies worst nightmare.
With that said however, these governmental agencies are smart enough to know this. They know they aren't getting ring leaders, they're simply using tactics to intimidate the rest of Anon and other hacker organizations by sending a clear message of "If you participate regardless of severity and intention, you will be punished severely."
What's worrying is this is only the beginning. I was just stating the pros of Anonymous, but there sure as hell are cons for having such a structure of command. Radical sects will and have emerged from these groups that do not represent the opinion of the majority and will act with things that will cause even more retaliation from the government, which in turn causes retalliation from Anonymous, which leads to more arrests... and you see where I'm going with this.
This is turning into a vicious cycle and it kinda is playing into the hands of the politicians. I know it's hyperbolic to say, but there IS a war going on. The principles the internet stands for are about freedoms, and the more Anon, Wikileaks, etc push their luck on their freedoms (like the ability to DDoS the FBI webpage, or publish classified documents), the more of a reason congress is justified to push for bills that limit freedoms in the eyes of the rest of the country.
With the U.S. pushing farther right on the political spectrum every ****ing day and things like Citizen's United existing... well let's just say our children will look with glazed eyes as we tell them the days of the freedoms and liberties we had on the internet when we were their age.
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Anonymous members got arrested? LOL
I can't say much about the organized attacks but it's common to see random threads on image boards/forums about organized attacks and which script kiddie software to use for this attack.
I am almost certain that %99 of the people who got arrested so far are the people following these threads and using high-bandwidth DDoS methods (LOIC?) mentioned in those threads that does nothing more than repeatedly sending your IP address to the host server (no, proxy is not an option).
This being said, those people arrested deserve what they get for following some 12 year old kid's instruction on a random forum/image board site.
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