Originally Posted by jo87

wtf. Do you have a problem with legal immigrants? I'm sorry but I'll stick around you racist prick You go make friends with the boat people.

I don't have a problem with immigrants but I do have a problem with conservatives who debate about Evolution, label every member of an ethnic minority as an "immigrant" and links illegal immigration and crime.

You're type is the reason why Harper was in power and Canadian soldiers are killed in Afghanistan. You're type is the type of people who want to serve the rich while the middle class is getting destroyed.
You're type is a flaw to democracy.

You go on your rage against me all you want for having proved your point wrong... Fact of the matter is, you said I've never been to Europe (in a raging fit) and then I proved you wrong. Then you made another point trying to discredit my knowledge of the EU, and I made a point that would dispute your point...

Now you're just going to try and make me look like a bad guy because I've been outside the country... You're argument is about the biggest fail in the world.

Originally Posted by jo87

Well you see I'm so poor I can't AFFORD to leave Canada for several months to even walk with a backpack around Europe you moron. I have been working non stop since I was 17, and never had a decent vacation especially never been to Europe. So to me you are privilaged! Don't be so naive you clearly don't understand other people have less, much less than you do.

Wait so you think of yourself as underprivileged and you're supporting Harper and his party ?

Wow, you really lack intelligence.

^^^ It's true actually. Conservatives are usually supported by those who have money, i.e. oil companies and their employees, large corporations, etc.

Originally Posted by Icecream

Wait so you think of yourself as underprivileged and you're supporting Harper and his party ?

Wow, you really lack intelligence.

I don't *think* of myself as underprivilaged, I know I am. And no I dont support Harper, and for sure I don't support liberals. I support Harper a little more than liberals, and I won't vote for either party. Nobody brought up NDP here so there was nothing else to argue for.

Originally Posted by jo87

I don't *think* of myself as underprivilaged, I know I am. And no I dont support Harper, and for sure I don't support liberals. I support Harper a little more than liberals, and I won't vote for either party. Nobody brought up NDP here so there was nothing else to argue for.

You support the NDP? Well done, then - you pulled off the Harper-supporter impersonation very well indeed.

Originally Posted by Mahratta

You support the NDP? Well done, then - you pulled off the Harper-supporter impersonation very well indeed.

LOL. Ahahahaah. This is an epic twist ending.

so election is when....



hmmmm i bet this topic gets 17 pages

Originally Posted by Icecream

I don't have a problem with immigrants but I do have a problem with conservatives who debate about Evolution, label every member of an ethnic minority as an "immigrant" and links illegal immigration and crime.

I'm not even in this debate and now I'm a little annoyed.

Buddy, Conservative Party of Canada =/= Bible thumping ignorant racists

The hell kind of Conservative you been talking too? Bill O'Reilly?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QoQUN7hG624

I think these ongoing debates between "Who's better, Liberal or Conservative?" and "[Insert name here] is better suited for the job!" are hilarious. Problem with Canadian democracy: There are 4 national left-based parties to 1 national right-based party. No matter what, the only way REAL stuff will get done is with an overwhelming majority. Even with a strong minority, for either a left or right based party, will fail because of the groupings that form within the opposition parties. Another interesting thought, all politicians are in it for themselves! They all make themselves appear amazing, but all they want is power. It's so obvious. May, Layton, Duceppe, Ignatieff, and Harper alike all want to be PM more than they want to help the people, even though it's supposed to be a government "by the people, for the people" (yes, I recognize that's American but it applies to democracy as a whole). The only serious way to get matters settled responsibility and with strength is to have a coalition that meets in the centre. It can have both right and left leaning tendencies on certain aspects, but without cooperation nothing will ever get accomplished. And to debate over which leader or which party makes a person better is completely ridiculous. So, basically, long story short, this election is driving me nuts because of simple, one-dimensional threads like this.

Good point. I'm not going to have an opinion and vote on a party because it'll likely just end up in a minority anyways. We wouldn't want our government to end up like Australia's, or England's, what with all that minority in their Parliament and all (not that we want to be England or Australia, but a minority government means our government might move at the same successful rate as theirs! yuck)

Originally Posted by mike_302

Good point. I'm not going to have an opinion and vote on a party because it'll likely just end up in a minority anyways. We wouldn't want our government to end up like Australia's, or England's, what with all that minority in their Parliament and all (not that we want to be England or Australia, but a minority government means our government might move at the same successful rate as theirs! yuck)

Canadians are unnecessarily afraid of a coalition. Germany has seen coalition rule for the longest time, and Britain's new coalition has made a great deal of progress in a short time. It's unfortunate that the Harper propaganda machine is churning out anti-coalition slogans - a Conservative-led coalition (which Harper had discussed with NDP and Bloc leaders during the Paul Martin days) would be very interesting, I think.

Originally Posted by J. Dorey

I think these ongoing debates between "Who's better, Liberal or Conservative?" and "[Insert name here] is better suited for the job!" are hilarious. Problem with Canadian democracy: There are 4 national left-based parties to 1 national right-based party. No matter what, the only way REAL stuff will get done is with an overwhelming majority. Even with a strong minority, for either a left or right based party, will fail because of the groupings that form within the opposition parties.

The idea that nothing can get done in a minority government is untrue and not based on historical evidence. Things can get done in a minority government if all parties are willing to cooperate, which is most helpful when the governing party is interested in actually listening to their opposition instead of continuously ignoring what they have to say.

Things that have done through a minority government:
Implementation of old age pension (King)
Universal Health Care (Pearson)
Loans for university students (Pearson)
Canada Assistance Plan (Pearson)
Canada Pension Plan (Pearson)
Old age pensions indexed to the cost of living (Trudeau)

Unless something like Universal Health Care and the Canada Pension Plan aren't considered "REAL stuff," then "REAL stuff" can be done with a minority government.

Originally Posted by britb

I'm not even in this debate and now I'm a little annoyed.

Buddy, Conservative Party of Canada =/= Bible thumping ignorant racists

The hell kind of Conservative you been talking too? Bill O'Reilly?

Conservative David Sweet running in Hamilton for re-election is likely worse than O'Reilly. He was the CEO of Promise Keepers, an extremely misogynist fundamentalist christian 'cult' of sorts. : (