Originally Posted by lawleypop

In all my 5 years of pot smoking, I have never once driven a car while high, THOUGHT about driving a car while high, WANTED to drive a car while high, or been in a car where the driver was high.

If you got high, you'd understand why. That shit is SCARY, mother ****er.

As long as you're providing anecdotal evidence, I'll provide my own. One of my friends got high a while ago, he did not drink alcohol that night, under the sole effects of marijuana he decided to go for a drive where his car got totalled and he was in the hospital for a few days. Legalizing weed will only increase behavior and accidents like this.

Originally Posted by Souldier

Legalization of marijuana will only increase the number of people getting high and increase the number of people driving while high. Let's not forget the increase in the number of people going to work high, dropping productivity and increasing danger.

Legalization of MJ also has many benefits which include government income, something that it greatly needed and would really help. With more money coming in you can do a lot more infrastructure and updating outdated systems (like the TTC).

Originally Posted by Souldier

Legalization of marijuana will only increase the number of people getting high and increase the number of people driving while high. Let's not forget the increase in the number of people going to work high, dropping productivity and increasing danger.

More logic fail. Alcohol is legal now, and in all my years in the workforce, I cant remember anyone showing up to work drunk, lowering productivity and increasing danger, and I've worked with literally thousands of people over the years. Why would pot be any different?

Originally Posted by Souldier

As long as you're providing anecdotal evidence, I'll provide my own. One of my friends got high a while ago, he did not drink alcohol that night, under the sole effects of marijuana he decided to go for a drive where his car got totalled and he was in the hospital for a few days. Legalizing weed will only increase behavior and accidents like this.

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You don't have friends.

Originally Posted by reeves

More logic fail. Alcohol is legal now, and in all my years in the workforce, I cant remember anyone showing up to work drunk, lowering productivity and increasing danger, and I've worked with literally thousands of people over the years. Why would pot be any different?

Marijuana is a lot harder to detect, all you need is eye drops and something to cover up the smell, and on the outside you would not be able to tell a person is high. It's effects are a lot more subtle but just as dangerous as alcohol.

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Originally Posted by Souldier

Marijuana is a lot harder to detect, all you need is eye drops and something to cover up the smell, and on the outside you would not be able to tell a person is high. It's effects are a lot more subtle but just as dangerous as alcohol.

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Originally Posted by Souldier

As long as you're providing anecdotal evidence, I'll provide my own. One of my friends got high a while ago, he did not drink alcohol that night, under the sole effects of marijuana he decided to go for a drive where his car got totalled and he was in the hospital for a few days. Legalizing weed will only increase behavior and accidents like this.

Anecdotal evidence, eh?
Well, one of my friends drives quite frequently after cannabis use, and the consensus is that they drive pretty well. Nevermind that the consensus is drawn from individuals who have also used cannabis.

(That could be easily misunderstood - I was trying to point out the uselessness of anecdote-based judgment, the scenario is made up)

That said, your point isn't supported by much statistical evidence while lawleypop's can't really be effectively quantitatively mapped, so...

Originally Posted by Mahratta

Anecdotal evidence, eh?
Well, I-uhm...one of my friends drives quite frequently after cannabis use, and the consensus is that they drive pretty well.

For every positive piece of anecdotal evidence you can provide, there is going to be a negative piece of anecdotal evidence. The point is, even if 99 out of a 100 times a person drives okay with marijuana (obviously it's much lower), the 1 out of a 100 times a person is going to put innocent lives at danger (obviously it's much higher) is not worth it. Period.

Originally Posted by Souldier

As long as you're providing anecdotal evidence, I'll provide my own. One of my friends got high a while ago, he did not drink alcohol that night, under the sole effects of marijuana he decided to go for a drive where his car got totalled and he was in the hospital for a few days. Legalizing weed will only increase behavior and accidents like this.

Sounds like your friend is an idiot. You sit here and say people like me have no self respect cuz we drink, but you're friends with a douche like this. At least we have the brains NOT to take a mind altering substance and get behind the wheel, or at least I do, anyway.

Originally Posted by Souldier

Marijuana is a lot harder to detect, all you need is eye drops and something to cover up the smell, and on the outside you would not be able to tell a person is high. It's effects are a lot more subtle but just as dangerous as alcohol.

Have you ever spoken to someone while they were high? Not so hard to detect through conversation.

Originally Posted by Souldier

For every positive piece of anecdotal evidence you can provide, there is going to be a negative piece of anecdotal evidence. The point is, even if 99 out of a 100 times a person drives okay with marijuana (obviously it's much lower), the 1 out of a 100 times a person is going to put innocent lives at danger (obviously it's much higher) is not worth it. Period.

You're still just guessing that the legalization of pot would cause an increase in people driving stoned. I'd argue that the increased revenue from taxation could be used for increased awareness and enforcement, and we could lower the amount of intoxicated drivers.

Originally Posted by Souldier

For every positive piece of anecdotal evidence you can provide, there is going to be a negative piece of anecdotal evidence.

Yeah, that was kind of the point of that part of my post...

The point is, even if 99 out of a 100 times a person drives okay with marijuana (obviously it's much lower), the 1 out of a 100 times a person is going to put innocent lives at danger (obviously it's much higher) is not worth it. Period.

This is a judgment you're making based on your own conclusions, not statistical ones. Yes, driving on cannabis is probably unsafe relative to driving sober, but I don't see how you can be so certain in your point when you've got no evidence besides your anecdotes. In fact, comparing statistics on accidents attributed to cannabis in Canada and the prevalence of cannabis use among the general population in Canada, the opposite point is supported - either cannabis users don't drive much after use, or they haven't got into many accidents...

Originally Posted by reeves

Sounds like your friend is an idiot. You sit here and say people like me have no self respect cuz we drink, but you're friends with a douche like this. At least we have the brains NOT to take a mind altering substance and get behind the wheel, or at least I do, anyway.



Have you ever spoken to someone while they were high? Not so hard to detect through conversation.

I agree he was an idiot, the thing is, he has always been the responsible one, but marijuana turned him into an idiot. It alters your mind, if it altered his mind, now that weed is legal a lot more people are going to try it, and it will definitely alter their minds, putting themselves and others at risk.

I have spoken to a lot of people while they were high, some people you can't tell they're high, others you can.

Originally Posted by Souldier

For every positive piece of anecdotal evidence you can provide, there is going to be a negative piece of anecdotal evidence. The point is, even if 99 out of a 100 times a person drives okay with marijuana (obviously it's much lower), the 1 out of a 100 times a person is going to put innocent lives at danger (obviously it's much higher) is not worth it. Period.

You can't just say MJ can't be legalized because of that, otherwise there would be NO drugs AT ALL. That includes MEDICAL DRUGS that are used treat diseases. Just because drugs have side affects, some of which are VERY bad, doesn't mean they shouldn't be used. That's because these drugs have GOOD properties too.

Nothing in this world is perfect.

Originally Posted by kristopherk

You're still just guessing that the legalization of pot would cause an increase in people driving stoned. I'd argue that the increased revenue from taxation could be used for increased awareness and enforcement, and we could lower the amount of intoxicated drivers.

Because we all know how well alcohol awareness does when it comes to stopping drunk people driving. At the end of the day, nobody wants to be the DD, and nobody wants to spend money on a cab, drunk driving and high driving will happen.