Originally Posted by deadpool

Okay, I need to weigh in.....

Rohan, this is one of the best and well-worded posts on this topic I've read. Thanks a lot for this.

I don't think it's fair to say "Health sci students know what they want and arts student don't". I know that was a generalization and you don't mean it for every single student, but I don't agree that it's even a generalization that can be used here.

No one can say if other people do or don't know what they want to do when they graduate. The only person who knows that is the individual. You might think someone has no career goals because they take like 20 different electives and don't seem to have a clear path, but for all you know, they could be doing exactly what they want.

You know what I mean? I know it was just a generalization, but I don't think that's a generalization anyone can make.

Originally Posted by deadpool

I just mean to say that they tend to be more mature, and more goal oriented because they have decided what they want to do in life and will drive forward with no hesitation.

On the other hand, what I have seen in the Arts faculties are students who are extremely intelligent but lack the desire to confine to programs as regimented as Health Science.

I would have to disagree with you there. I'm in multimedia specifically because that's exactly what I want to be doing.

Dat Ass

Originally Posted by FireDragoonX

to hellohello, I have taken a health science course. One only.
It was the easiest biology-type course I've taken at mac.

on the first day of class what does the prof do? he has a slide with the average from last years class. the average was around 80.
our class average for the first two tests were each above 75.

OMG! The same thing happened to me! The course I took was exclusively for Health Science students but a Bio friend and myself got special permission to take it - even though we didn't have the pre-requisites (and we got the two highest marks in the class, btw ;P). The Prof also apologized for the course having an exam! I was shocked.

Anyway, a family member of mine teaches at the McMaster Medical school and also helps to organize the teaching material and so rubs shoulders with a lot of people who teach the Health Science courses. She asked them about the high marks and they said that they were under a lot of pressure to give out high marks and that their courses were heavily based on self and peer evaluations. In the course that I took, even for a horrible presentation, people still gave out high marks. The marking scheme, a 7 point system, didn't go below 50% - so it would be impossible for anyone to fail.

Sorry, back to my story. My family member asked if a person who got an 11 or 12 average in Science courses would be "more impressive" then a Health Science student with a 12 average and the consensus was "yes".

They all know about it. Its a pink elephant in the room and no one is choosing to say anything about it.

Health science is an easy option in the end.. i mean the biggest thing about university is keeping that GPA up. Most health sci kids have 10+ GPA because of its easiness, the professors spoon feed many of these kids. Yes the hardest part is getting in.... but once your in your pretty much set. I could have got in and I regret not going.. now I'm stuck in Life Science which is 1000x times harder.

There was another thread on covering all this health sci business.

Let I remind everyone that we are not turning this into another Bash Health Sciences thread.

There are many comments so far that are borderline breaking the MacInsiders Terms of Service. If this continues the thread will be closed.

Thanks,
Danielle.
MacInsiders VP Admin

Originally Posted by Infinity

Health science is an easy option in the end.. i mean the biggest thing about university is keeping that GPA up. Most health sci kids have 10+ GPA because of its easiness, the professors spoon feed many of these kids. Yes the hardest part is getting in.... but once your in your pretty much set. I could have got in and I regret not going.. now I'm stuck in Life Science which is 1000x times harder.

There was another thread on covering all this health sci business.

I never post here but i had to create an account for this.

I know plenty of people who have been in the mcmaster science program who transferred into the health sciences program. its almost always the case that they got higher marks in the science program.

you just sound like another kid in life sci who was rejected from health sci, got into uni, saw you werent smart enough to pull off the high grades for med school, and got bitter about those people doing better than you

p.s. i was not a health sci student myself but I did take both science and health sci courses when i was an undergrad at mac

and this is why so many laughs can be had, people who should be the least snobby about their program, are the most snobby. and bashing is only going to make this program more popular for any highschool students who read this thread and want high grades. we are probably slightly raising the demand

Originally Posted by Infinity

Health science is an easy option in the end.. i mean the biggest thing about university is keeping that GPA up. Most health sci kids have 10+ GPA because of its easiness, the professors spoon feed many of these kids. Yes the hardest part is getting in.... but once your in your pretty much set. I could have got in and I regret not going.. now I'm stuck in Life Science which is 1000x times harder.

There was another thread on covering all this health sci business.

Yes, Life Science is (probably) harder, but it really isn't that hard.
It depends on the type of learning you prefer - I prefer traditional science and humanities courses, so the Science faculty is a lot better suited for my kind of learning. If you like touchy-feely (meant in the least offensive way possible ) stuff, health science is probably better for you.

Really, there's too many kids that are just in undergrad for the sake of going to medical school. Most people that come in wanting to go to medical school leave with an entirely different idea of what they want to do in life - even students that make many of the GPA cut-offs.

Originally Posted by joshk

you just sound like another kid in life sci who was rejected from health sci, got into uni, saw you werent smart enough to pull off the high grades for med school, and got bitter about those people doing better than you

Those personal insults seem wholly uneccessary. Is that the only reason you created an account?

well hellohello also really likes the insults, so josh isn't alone

Originally Posted by andrew22

well hellohello also really likes the insults, so josh isn't alone

Well you seem to get your kicks out of bashing a faculty, and I really wanted to try it!

I do agree that the personal insult might have been too much, but I agree with the essence of what he's saying.

But read back objectively at what you've (collectively) been saying about ALL of the health scis, and look at Josh's comment, and see if his comment is more insulting or yours.

I'm sorry health sci gets more attention than your faculty. Why are you so bitter about it though?

Originally Posted by hellohello

I'm sorry health sci gets more attention than your faculty. Why are you so bitter about it though?

To be fair, most of the attention is from people like him. If you didn't have the health sci haters, I don't think your faculty would be talked about nearly as much. :p

Originally Posted by hellohello

But read back objectively at what you've (collectively) been saying about ALL of the health scis, and look at Josh's comment, and see if his comment is more insulting or yours.

*reads*

Yep, his was more insulting.

Originally Posted by joshk

I never post here but i had to create an account for this.

I know plenty of people who have been in the mcmaster science program who transferred into the health sciences program. its almost always the case that they got higher marks in the science program.

you just sound like another kid in life sci who was rejected from health sci, got into uni, saw you werent smart enough to pull off the high grades for med school, and got bitter about those people doing better than you

p.s. i was not a health sci student myself but I did take both science and health sci courses when i was an undergrad at mac

wow you are harsh.

first of all you don't know me. I never wanted to go to med school and nor do I have any plans associated with med school, which is why i never bothered with health sci. I've been here for two years and I've learned that your degree doesn't really matter. In the end a student in Humanities can apply to med school. I'll admit my GPA won't get me into a med school around here but that's not what i want to do.. and assuming that all "kids" enter life sci to get into medical school is stupid. I took life science in the end because it leaves the most options for career paths. I don't get bitter of people doing better than me.. that's good for them. I'm living out my own life and could care less about what other people doing. I just like to share my opinion and express what i see and hear around me. I'm truly sorry that this is going the wrong way.