Originally Posted by HeatherH

It's not that he failed them, it's that he didn't have room to take them the first time around.

That's impossible. The faculty guarantees everyone space in first year. Also, most courses requires the math you are supposed to be learning in your year (i.e. Engineering Physics 1E03). The only way you could be in first year math now beyond second year is if you somehow failed something... or just enjoy first year classes for some odd reason.

Originally Posted by Ownaginatios

That's impossible. The faculty guarantees everyone space in first year. Also, most courses requires the math you are supposed to be learning in your year (i.e. Engineering Physics 1E03). The only way you could be in first year math now beyond second year is if you somehow failed something... or just enjoy first year classes for some odd reason.

Or you can get special permission from the faculty to take upper year courses.

You could also go back and take the courses again to increase your CA if you're thinking of going to grad school.

Just because someone is in a first year doesn't mean they failed it! I have to take first year organic chem in third year because that's just the way the schedule works out for me

Originally Posted by DannyV

You could also go back and take the courses again to increase your CA if you're thinking of going to grad school.

I thought it was that your original marks are the only ones that count and you could only repeat to be able to get a "PASS" on your transcript.

Originally Posted by alyssabriere

Just because someone is in a first year doesn't mean they failed it! I have to take first year organic chem in third year because that's just the way the schedule works out for me

Ya, but this is kind of different for engineering. The math you learn each year is essential for the following years in a lot of courses. Even more so now since it all got combined into two classes this year, rather than a calculus and vectors class like in previous years. It's not like some chemistry courses which may have little to do with each other (i.e. Organic chemistry and general chemistry).

Originally Posted by Ownaginatios

That's impossible. The faculty guarantees everyone space in first year. Also, most courses requires the math you are supposed to be learning in your year (i.e. Engineering Physics 1E03). The only way you could be in first year math now beyond second year is if you somehow failed something... or just enjoy first year classes for some odd reason.

The faculty of Engineering can't guarantee any Engineer space in a Soc Sci course. Remember Econ is considered an elective for Engineers, not a requirement.

Originally Posted by lorend

The faculty of Engineering can't guarantee any Engineer space in a Soc Sci course. Remember Econ is considered an elective for Engineers, not a requirement.

I never said anything about econ; I was talking about engineering math .

Just so you know I am in engineering and there are other courses (engineering courses) that I can only take in upper years because of the way the schedule works! Oh and the math courses only help you in other math courses, you don't need them for any other upper year course

Originally Posted by Ownaginatios

That's impossible. The faculty guarantees everyone space in first year. Also, most courses requires the math you are supposed to be learning in your year (i.e. Engineering Physics 1E03). The only way you could be in first year math now beyond second year is if you somehow failed something... or just enjoy first year classes for some odd reason.

I can ask him about this when I talk to him next. He did not fail anything (he has an 11.7 average). I think he took Econ 1BB3 in second year and Mech Eng 2C03 in second year. It was either because they didn't fit in his schedule the first time around, or they were full and he had to wait til the next year.

And he definately had an econ (or commerce, I'm not sure the difference) class that's not an elective.

Here is it in the 2007/2008 Undergrad calendar:
http://registrar.mcmaster.ca /CALEN...07/sec_241.htm



Level II: 37 units
9 units COMMERCE 2AA3, 2BA3, 2MA3
6 units ECON 1BB3, 2X03
6 units MATH 2M03, 2MM3
14 units MECH ENG 2D03, 2P04, 2W04, 3C03
2 units ENGN MGT 2AA2
Level III: 37 units
3 units COMMERCE 2FA3
1 unit ENGN MGT 3AA1
3 units ENGINEER 2MM3
3 units MATH 3I03
24 units MECH ENG 2B03, 2C03, 2Q04, 3A03, 3F04, 3O04, 3R03
3 units STATS 3Y03
Level IV: 35 units
12 units COMMERCE 2AB3, 3BC3, 3FA3, 3MC3
1 unit ENGN MGT 4A01
3 units MATLS 3M03
13 units MECH ENG 3E05, 3M02, 4R03, 4V03
6 units from required option courses or approved technical electives

Originally Posted by alyssabriere

Just so you know I am in engineering and there are other courses (engineering courses) that I can only take in upper years because of the way the schedule works! Oh and the math courses only help you in other math courses, you don't need them for any other upper year course

Well, I'm in first year engineering right now and a lot of the courses I'm talking do require the math I'm taking as well to a degree. I can't think of any engineering courses that don't require math...

When I referred to people in my math class, I mean my math class in first year. I'm pretty sure there is no way to avoid taking those in first year. It wouldn't make sense for any engineers to be from upper years in that class since it is a new math course.

Originally Posted by HeatherH

And he definately had an econ (or commerce, I'm not sure the difference) class that's not an elective.

In order to be accepted into Eng (whichever discipline) and Management you need to first take both Econ classes. However, you don't need management in order to graduate, so the first year econ's aren't considered mandatory classes. And from what I understand, the same is true with other upper year Econ and Commerce classes, although they do allot some space for engineers.

Originally Posted by lorend

In order to be accepted into Eng (whichever discipline) and Management you need to first take both Econ classes. However, you don't need management in order to graduate, so the first year econ's aren't considered mandatory classes. And from what I understand, the same is true with other upper year Econ and Commerce classes, although they do allot some space for engineers.

I don't understand. How are they not mandatory if he has to take them? To get into Mech Eng & Management, he needed them. I didn't say they were mandatory for ALL engineers; I said they were mandatory for him.

Only ECON 1B03 is required to get into Management - ECON 1BB3 is required for the degree but not to get in.

Management also isn't required to graduate and thus ECON 1B03 isn't mandatory for engineers... meaning just because you want to go into Management doesn't mean you'll get a spot. It may be required for the people who want Management, but that doesn't guarantee you a spot in the required course.

Originally Posted by Iman

Only ECON 1B03 is required to get into Management - ECON 1BB3 is required for the degree but not to get in.

Management also isn't required to graduate and thus ECON 1B03 isn't mandatory for engineers... meaning just because you want to go into Management doesn't mean you'll get a spot. It may be required for the people who want Management, but that doesn't guarantee you a spot in the required course.

But if he wants to get into Management, and he has to take econ to get into it .. doesn't that make it mandatory for him?

What they're trying to say is that just because he takes econ, it doesn't mean he's getting into management (there are other factors apart from that course that admission depends on). Whereas if you take calculus I and pass it, you can for sure take calculus II.