Originally Posted by huzaifa47

I never did; Guilty by association isn't really a scientific argument. Especially if used on people hundreds of miles away.

No one said it was a Scientific argument, you're the only one who wants to get Scientific here.

They were just saying how other people view things. Many people make generalizations and lump people together so just because you aren't guilty of something doesn't mean other people won't think you are based on your association with a group that is guilty of it.

Incorrect to assume so? It's you that are biased if you can't see what's going on.

That is something I guess I misunderstood? I inferred that you were calling me biased towards a certain party and that was in some way clouding my judgment :S

Plus then it was Sew12 "telling" me that she apparently knows that I "obviously" support events like Israeli Apartheid week :S HUH? Where did I say that?

Their commentary is exactly the same as everyone else's anecdotes on racist comments except that you think what they've said will cast Israeli Apartheid Week in a negative light so you've chosen to fight them on it.

Obviously you support events like Israeli Apartheid Week and you've chosen to take issue with only posts about racist comments that you feel cast an event you support in a negative light.

I was also told by her that I am misunderstanding what "you" were saying :S Awesome!

p.s: Every argument is a scientific argument if it tries to implicate something. He appeared to have been providing a "reason" for why so and so happens; A "reason" needs to be proven....not necessarily by anecdotes

Originally Posted by huzaifa47

That is something I guess I misunderstood? I inferred that you were calling me biased towards a certain party and that was in some way clouding my judgment :S

Plus then it was Sew12 "telling" me that she apparently knows that I "obviously" support events like Israeli Apartheid week :S HUH? Where did I say that?

Your posts imply that you support Israeli Apartheid Week and that you didn't like X other posters comments because you felt they would cast a negative light on the event.

If you're not pro-Israeli Apartheid Week you haven't made this clear if your defense of it against racists comments someone posted that they overheard being made about Jews.

Originally Posted by sew12

Your posts imply that you support Israeli Apartheid Week and that you didn't like X other posters comments because you felt they would cast a negative light on the event.

If you're not pro-Israeli Apartheid Week you haven't made this clear if your defense of it against racists comments someone posted that they overheard being made about Jews.

I HAVE made it clear; go back and read before accusing me of doing so!

He is trying to rile me up by asking me to respond with "Jewish lobby" accusations; when my concerns/approach is purely scientific on the co-relations he is making!

I made it quite clear that my concern is with the implications of the theory.

You are filling in the blanks and assuming the rest. I'm not defending anyone here; I am voicing my concerns with co-relating so and so based on semi-personal observations.

Where did I mention myself being Pro-Apartheid Week? Plus I never even rejected the fact that people do make such statements; this was my first post regarding this topic :

while I'm not refusing the notion outright that people are capable of making such statements that is NOT the end and all reason why those terms are confused together.

That is something I guess I misunderstood? I inferred that you were calling me biased towards a certain party and that was in some way clouding my judgment :S

It was something I said in the heat of the moment in response to your accusation that I was biased.

So you have a problem with what was said, in theory?

Originally Posted by sew12

So you have a problem with what was said, in theory?

Yeap, As I had already made quite clear earlier on. Unless you are assuming that since I have a Muslim background I must definitely be Pro-Apartheid week? Tbh I actually threw away in disgust the pamphlet for the "Aparthied wall" talk I was given last month outside BSB. Even IF the talk was by a Christian North American Prof/Researcher; it was being presented in a bad light in the pamphlet.

Originally Posted by huzaifa47

Yeap, As I had already made quite clear earlier on. Unless you are assuming that since I have a Muslim background I must definitely be Pro-Apartheid week? Tbh I actually threw away in disgust the pamphlet for the "Aparthied wall" talk I was given last month outside BSB. Even IF the talk was by a Christian North American Prof/Researcher; it was being presented in a bad light in the pamphlet.

I wasn't even aware that you're Muslim so no I wasn't assuming so based on that.

Originally Posted by sew12

I wasn't even aware that you're Muslim so no I wasn't assuming so based on that.

Odd, you are saying you can't figure that out by my last name? But then again I am coming from a biased territory where for some reason I am able to tell the nationality/background of a good percentage of people based entirely on their names!

Originally Posted by huzaifa47

Odd, you are saying you can't figure that out by my last name? But then again I am coming from a biased territory where for some reason I am able to tell the nationality/background of a good percentage of people based entirely on their names!

I guess I'm not particularly adept and figuring out someone's religious convictions based on my their last name. I didn't even realize your last name was Saeed until just now.

However I wouldn't automatically associate that with being Mulslim. Maybe that is because of my very limited contact with Muslims though, I've only known a few personally in my entire life and don't know common Muslim last names.


Honestly though I just wasn't thinking about your background at the time, more your posts.

So what's my nationality/background based on my last name?

http://homepages.rootsweb.an cestry...h/origins.html

Originally Posted by sew12

I guess I'm not particularly adept and figuring out someone's religious convictions based on my their last name. I didn't even realize your last name was Saeed until just now.

However I wouldn't automatically associate that with being Mulslim. Maybe that is because of my very limited contact with Muslims though, I've only known a few personally in my entire life and don't know common Muslim last names.


Honestly though I just wasn't thinking about your background at the time, more your posts.

So what's my nationality/background based on my last name?

Walsh sounds British Isles?

You really can't judge. Colonialism threw things all to heck, and then these days people change names and such.

Originally Posted by arathbon

Walsh sounds British Isles?

You really can't judge. Colonialism threw things all to heck, and then these days people change names and such.

Its true. Usually you can make an educated guess but who knows what someone's actual background was. They may have their biological father's last name but have grown up with predominantly their mother's or a step father's cultural background and/or religion.

British Isles indeed, more specifically Irish. However Irish was not my background growing up. My father's family presumably originated in Ireland way back when but they've been in Canada for generations and generations, in Newfoundland. So my background is actually Canadian.

Originally Posted by PaulTersigni

I agree 100% that ethnic groups are the dumbest thing on campus and i really don't think they should be allowed or receive funding. I think that if anything they incite racism.

I happen to KNOW they are racist and blatantly so, especially the Asian ones (probably because they have the largest groups of members and therefore it is easier i guess to be a bit more exclusive). Perfect example. When one of the groups (CSA I think) were handing out moon cakes I was walking with my girlfriend (who is Chinese) and as we walked by the table someone stepped out and asked her if she wanted a free moon cake. She doesn't particularly like them and said no, I on the other hand happen to love them, so I said, "Oooh, free moon cakes. Can i get one?" and they actually said, "oh... uhh no sorry, you're not chinese."

I wanted to start a big fuss right there and my girlfriend knew it so she just pulled me along and we left. But that event STILL bothers me every time i see them.

I thought these groups were about SHARING your culture. I defy anyone to explain and legitimize that incident; until then cultural groups (ALL OF THEM, asain, black, hispanic, white, religious, i dont really care) in my opinion, are a waste of space and time.

From what I know, CSA doesn't sell food or give out free food 'cause MSU doesn't allow them. CSA's booth are only meant for promoting events. If you're talking about asian clubs, there are a lot of others such as : CSSA, HKSA, MVSA, Asian Focus, MTSA, MCDS, MCES, CASS etc.. and probably a lot of others.

Originally Posted by Biee

From what I know, CSA doesn't sell food or give out free food 'cause MSU doesn't allow them. CSA's booth are only meant for promoting events. If you're talking about asian clubs, there are a lot of others such as : CSSA, HKSA, MVSA, Asian Focus, MTSA, MCDS, MCES, CASS etc.. and probably a lot of others.

That would be MUSC Admin, not the MSU; MUSC Admin controls all of the tables in MUSC and has clear guidelines for what can and cannot be given out. The only time the MSU prohibits giving away baked goods etc is during clubsfest; there only pre-packaged food items can be given away.