Dressing slutty shouldn't get you raped just like wearing a meat suit during a lion demonstration at the zoo shouldn't get you eaten, though you're obviously increasing your chances.
With that being said I could never put the blame of sexual assault on the victim, that's just absurd.
Either way this seems like a colossal waste of money for the organizers and a huge overreaction for a misguided comment.
Men are not animals. We should expect more - continuing to make the comparison is implicitly excusing their behavior by implying they can't help it.
And this is not a waste. This misguided comment is a very common attitude in our culture, and the police force participating in blaming the victims they are supposed to protect is unacceptable.
I would not.
But sharks are predatory beings incapable of feeling sympathy for their prey. I expect more of human beings, and I think everyone should.
I'd like to point out that everyone is arguing that the typical rapist that jumps out of dark alleys is a rational, sane, stable human being, and that his sane and capable logic is to blame.......
That's the ONLY point I am making on this whole topic because shit's gonna get real on here.
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03-30-2011 at 08:14 PM
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PHLN, I think I know where you're going with this;
I'd like to point out that everyone is arguing that the typical rapist that jumps out of dark alleys is a rational, sane, stable human being, and that his sane and capable logic is to blame.......
That's the ONLY point I am making on this whole topic because shit's gonna get real on here.
The typical rapist doesn't jump out of dark allies. 77%-90% of victims know their attacker (depending which study you trust).
About 10% of men have committed a sexual assault or rape. (http://www.sexualassault.arm y.mil/...FACT_SHEET.pdf)
The idea that there are just a few crazies who jump out of allies and rape women is flawed.
The typical rapist doesn't jump out of dark allies. 77%-90% of victims know their attacker (depending which study you trust).
About 10% of men have committed a sexual assault or rape. (http://www.sexualassault.arm y.mil/...FACT_SHEET.pdf)
The idea that there are just a few crazies who jump out of allies and rape women is flawed.
03-30-2011 at 08:40 PM
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PHLN, I think I know where you're going with this;
While I don't believe that rape victims, male or female, should ever be blamed for what happened to them, one should never just toss precautions to the wind.
I would not.
But sharks are predatory beings incapable of feeling sympathy for their prey. I expect more of human beings, and I think everyone should.
psychopaths are incapable of feeling sympathy...or emotions in general...
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You're comparing sexual assault to disease. Sexual assault is not inevitable. The assailant always has the power to prevent the assault. By comparing sexual assault to an inevitable occurrence which is not committed but simply happens, you are taking all responsibility away from the assailant.
Women should be able to drink and go to parties just like men do, without being at risk of someone raping them. They're not thinking, "I want to increase my risk factor of being raped." They're just trying to live.
My point was that women who willingly partake in these activities increase the risk of being raped, just as tanning increases our chances of getting cancer. You read too much into issues of inevitability, which has nothing to do what I was trying to get across.
I love how people always structure their arguments with blanket morality statements like, "Women should be able to drink and go to parties just like men do, without being at risk of someone raping". Obviously I'm not going to disagree with you. The reality, however, is that rape does occur, whether you think it should or not, and there are measures you can take to reduce your chances of sexual assault.
If you insist on outlandish behavior and do not want to be raped, you need to take precautions. I'm not talking about staying home- go party if you want, but think twice about getting so drunk you have no idea where you are or who you're with, or about sleeping with a new person each night, or about prostituting yourself. I am not characterizing all women, I simply responded to your phrasing of "without exception" by pointing out that some women have a responsibility to take these precautions. Should they have this responsibility? Of course not. But that is the world we live in.
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They're just trying to live.
This just makes you sound silly.
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03-30-2011 at 09:15 PM
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This is a separate branch of raping that goes under false accusation. Note the significant of such claim, that victims know their suppose "attacker".
It make no logical sense on why the attacker would choose a victim that can oust them.
If one were to scrutinize the study further, one would find that most allege rape cases involved alcohol and the phenomenon of misleading or deceptive conduct.
Statements such as this one perpetuate rape culture:
"Rape culture is pervasive insistence that false reports are common, although they are less common (1.6%) than false reports of auto theft (2.6%). Rape culture is pervasive claims that women make rape accusations willy-nilly, when 61% of rapes remain unreported."
Why would a man risk attacking a woman who could identify him? 61% of women don't report, and the vast majority (about 85%) of reported rapes don't result in conviction. Our culture makes it appallingly easy to get away with rape.
Saying that all acquaintance- and date-rapes must be false accusations is ridiculous.
Where did that second quote come from ("if God does not want women to be raped...")? And did you seriously just try to start a discussion about agreeing or disagreeing with it? That is, quite honestly, one of the most ****ed up things I've heard.
My point was that women who willingly partake in these activities increase the risk of being raped, just as tanning increases our chances of getting cancer. You read too much into issues of inevitability, which has nothing to do what I was trying to get across.
I love how people always structure their arguments with blanket morality statements like, "Women should be able to drink and go to parties just like men do, without being at risk of someone raping". Obviously I'm not going to disagree with you. The reality, however, is that rape does occur, whether you think it should or not.
If you do not want to be raped, it is your responsibility to take appropriate precautions. I'm not talking about staying home- go party if you want, but think twice about getting so drunk you have no idea where you are or who you're with, or about sleeping with a new person each night, or about prostituting yourself. I am not characterizing all women, I simply responded to your phrasing of "without exception" by pointing out that some women have a responsibility to take these precautions. Should they have this responsibility? Of course not. But that is the world we live in.
I realize what point you were attempting to make, I was simply pointing out that the comparison you used to support said point was flawed. Rape is not comparable to skin cancer.
I do agree that rape is a reality in the world we live in. I just don't think we should accept it. I think we need to change our attitudes so that rape is less accepted, so that hopefully it will become less common and appropriately punished.
"If you do not want to be raped, it is your responsibility to take appropriate precautions."
Rape is one of the only crimes where people think that it is the victim's responsibility to prevent the crime. Just because many women do take precautions in response to living in a rape culture, it does not mean it is their responsibility. Why is placing the responsibility on the victim only acceptable when the crime is rape? http://thegloss.com/culture/what-hap...her-than-rape/
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