Originally Posted by ChomskyFan

For christ's sake there are wars going on around the world, children need food, and you're all getting f*cking worked up about a student election? Imagine if we turned all the energy going into this negativity and used it to fix the Hamilton community, for example?

I'm sorry but I really hate the wall that some of these people are hiding behind.

By this logic, we shouldn't worry about our upcoming test, or school at all! We should all contribute and go to help impoverished countries/be dancing in a circle singing koombayah.

I would appreciate if supporters in this thread would respond to the questions and problems posed, without resorting to guilting the asker.

Originally Posted by sew12

For the record I saw that poster less than 15 minutes ago.

Well Officially Mr Park has slashed out that part of his platform completely from his website so it would make sense that he would remove all posters on campus that mention a "scrapped" platform point wouldn't it?

He mentioned in the debate today when the candidates were asked directly about the referendum that he was previously pro exclusivity but has since changed his mind and would like to leave it up to the students. Personally I felt this was weak, most other candidates took a stance or at least made clear the things they think should be considered about the referendum. It seemed like flip flopping in the face of opposition.

Overall I was probably the least impressed by Casey Park's performance in the debate.

Originally Posted by ChomskyFan

I never post on macinsiders (I just got an account a little while ago) but this is getting ridiculous.

Everyone take a second and f*cking think. Think. This is a MSU presidential election. A student government. Is it really worth it, to get started on these vendettas, for a friggin' student election? For christ's sake there are wars going on around the world, children need food, and you're all getting f*cking worked up about a student election? Imagine if we turned all the energy going into this negativity and used it to fix the Hamilton community, for example?

I'm not saying don't care about student government, but guys, get your priorities straight. Honestly. Some of the posts have been downright ridiculous (from both sides), and it sounds like a bunch of juvenile and immature teens trying to either be d-bags or pseudo-intellectuals.

Regardless of who's elected, at the end of the day we're all expected to work together. To collaborate with each other to make the school a better place. All this negativity and childish behaviour from the "people at the top" (e.g. SRA heads, MSU heads, etc.) makes me think that this school is going down the drain.

I personally want a leader (among other things) who's kind, who doesn't make derogatory comments, who doesn't feel the need to lash out, but rather offers constructive criticism. That includes leaders in the MSU and the SRA. Maybe everyone here who's so worked up needs to look in the mirror and think about what they're becoming.

Your comment would lead me to believe you are a Bush fan, not a Chomsky fan. If you want a leader who is great why don't you do something about it insted of preaching about helping poor countries and the community. You have no idea how students on here contribute to the Hamilton community or who donates money, it's probably the same people who care about having an honest and great president. The whole point is not to have a president voted into power because he manipulated people or is using it as a resume filler, even if it is the MSU.

Originally Posted by Scrub

OK so last post for tonight, I was hoping if anyone call clarify what Casey is singing when he comes around to classes. Im always near the back or beside my loud friends, is he just singing the regular song (with unchanged lyrics) or is he putting his platform points to the tune of popular songs? I really want to believe its the latter, because if it is just the original song then that seems like a terrible ploy. I know how little most 1st years know about univerity politics, and hopefully they dont make decisions based on flashy singing in class without reading or understanding a candidates platform. Hopefully I see/hear Casey soon in a class of mine again, and can hear some of his platform.

The lyrics are changed, but they don't include anything about his platform. For example, he sang something like this to Enrique Iglesias' "Hero":

Would you vote, if I asked you to vote
I could be your president
If you give your vote to me

And so on.

Originally Posted by casey.park

The interesting thing, Rohan, is that I talked to both my supervisors at the FYEO and MSU after Temara Brown brought up this "circus" incident to them, and both of them did not believe it to be a problem.

The issue was not what was said and not just this one line. It was how the entire training session was delivered that was of concern. If indeed this wasn't an issue for our planners then it was certainly an issue for myself and many of the reps who were in attendance.

As I had mentioned before, this was just one of the stories that I chose to tell that supported my previous comment questioning his ability to fulfill a position of this nature in a professional and appropriate manner. And, from what I have garnered from a quick skim through the rest of this thread, it was not an isolated incident.

I am still undecided as to where my vote will go ; but I am also interested why everyone seems so bent on having a contrived and boring but safe president as opposed to someone who has stepped out of line from the normal monotony that dominates most of this university . In comparison to the experiences many of my friends had during their frosh (ooups! not allowed to say that word at mac) week I felt pretty short changed on the uber G rated experience I was getting. Heaven forbid an 18 students who is responsible enough to live on their own be subjected to hearing songs with swear words in it that play on public radio. Yeah there are boundaries that need to followed, and lines that shouldn't be crossed, but I don't think Casey came anywhere near to those.

During welcome week I painted myself from head to toe with blue paint and carried a sign that said "honk if your horny". However when I meet with my faculty dean and faculty administration, I leave the sign and my smurf make up behind.

There are weaknesses to this platform, making a fuss over music selection during welcome week is a pretty weak plan , as I think you'll realize that the apathetic majority who will choose the winner of this election doesn't care.

Alacarte: You have to realize the fact that there are people from all sorts of backgrounds coming to McMaster. People from various social stratas, upbringings and at times different countries. While you might find some forms of humour appreciative but some other people are alienated by it and find it very offensive.

Welcome Week can be a very scary and stressful time for first years and sometimes even I myself found myself reconsidering as a Faculty Rep the utility of what I was doing and whether that was helping improve the experience of a good number of frosh.

"B) Tell that to frosh who saw Ash & Nick's 2 hour Nut Swinging Marathons In the Art's quad during MacPass distribution! They were one of the more intimidating WW reps out there! And I don't mean that in a bad way" - Huzaifa


So true , we all find different forms of humor funny. But when its an intimadating "two hour nut swinging marathon" by another presidential candidate its not bad, and your all down for the tongue out smiley face?

However when its Casey Park playing top 40 songs with swears in them , suddenly it becomes grounds to determine that he's not a suitable presidential candidate?

If your going to play that card, you should at least play it fairly to all candidates, and not only use it on the candidates you appear to have personal beef with.

and yeah well individuals might have found it offencive, the democratic process means that the majority of students who didn't care about the music will get to choose their president.

Originally Posted by àlacarte

"B) Tell that to frosh who saw Ash & Nick's 2 hour Nut Swinging Marathons In the Art's quad during MacPass distribution! They were one of the more intimidating WW reps out there! And I don't mean that in a bad way" - Huzaifa

So true , we all find different forms of humor funny. But when its an intimadating "two hour nut swinging marathon" by another presidential candidate its not bad, and your all down for the tongue out smiley face?

I never explicitly said I find anything he did offensive even slightly(I HAVE actually mentioned/clarified that in a previous post ) and I have major beef with how this thread and election has turned into an issue about that; on the contrary I do have a liberal sense of humour. However having said that I don't confine my viewpoint to the way I see things, my previous post was based on conversations with people who see things differently. Stop twisting around my words; I have no personal Beef whatsoever with Casey, me questioning his platform has all to do with me doing my job as a MSU and SRA member, In our private meetings similarly critiqued and argued against points made by the candidate I am supporting too.

I agree, Alacarte that people act differently during WW because of the nature of the week. But personally I have doubts about Mr. Park's professional conduct and his ability to handle the position of MSU president seriously not because he picked a few profane songs during WW. It's because he is just as obnoxious in professional settings. I have worked with him, and he is arrogant, inappropriate and has the attention span of a fruit fly.

Alacarte,

While you might not understand the issues that occur with blasting a song with derogatory language , I assure you that others can. I'm quite glad that nothing of that nature occurred when my parents were around, b/c guess what- they're strict and would not have been too impressed with McMaster. And I'd like them to think well of the university I attend.

I don't mean to be offensive in any way...but please do keep in mind that students from a variety of backgrounds attend McMaster- what you might find boring, we might find decent and appropriate.

Sorry for using up even more space to debate this issue- just thought it is was important.

This was brought up earlier in this discussion, but was then quickly forgotten and/or ignored. However, before voting for Casey, I would need this to be set straight.

It was stated that Casey is currently suspended for his position at the SRA. Casey, if this is true, how can the student body trust that as President of the MSU you will not continue the type of behaviour that has landed you in this current predicament?

I would like to state right now before I get accused of "slander" that I have yet to make up my mind on any of the candidates and have nothing against Casey. I just need to have this explained to me because it sends up huge red flags.

Thanks.