Originally Posted by shortbeast89

Hi Cheri,

I can't really do anything about you feeling the way you do. You have your opinions and I have my own along with facts, certificates, documents, and plaques and what not..

Which is why I am going to emphasize for the last time on this thread that my information is listed below and I'm not going to posting any further on this thread. I'll answer questions emailed to me, or if I get a phone call, or a facebook message. I've already mentioned that I have enough money in my pocket, and just another student trying to help people out. I don't know if it's smart spending for a company to pay a person that has nothing to do with them anymore to come and write a few words on a forum where there is a no win situation for the company. Again, I have my opinions and everyone else has theirs.

Thanks!

Facebook - Full Name - Aneel Janmohammad
Email - [email protected] il.com
McMaster Residence Extention - 56415

Congratulations. Your "facts," certificates, documents, and plaques must mean you're TOTALLY legit and more credible than anyone else on this forum. I know this must be true, because you've totally shown us all of these achievements that you've obtained. I know that there's no way you could possibly be telling a lie, because we all know how reliable someone's word is over actual proof.

I also realize that since College Pro is a totally legitimate company, their only way to promote themselves is by belittling those who say negative things about them. Because if they weren't legitimate, then I guess all they would have are real facts and real statistics.

I realize that you may not catch onto the sarcasm even though I'm smearing it on quite thick.

Your "facts" are no more legitimate than my logic. I didn't realize that throwing out nonsense that you can't prove to us over a forum is a legitimate way to discredit the nay-sayers and to actually promote the company.

But you know, I really do understand why each of the promoters here say "I'm going to stop posting now and anyone's free to contact me over e-mail." I guess it would be easier to con someone over private e-mail when there isn't an ENTIRE forum bashing them.

I can vouch for Aneel.. he is a real person haha. I had said I knew people who had good experiences and probably just as many who've had bad.

Hey Tamara,

Thanks for that! Hope you're doing well!

-Aneel

Dear Aneel

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Best Regards
Jackie

Ps. This Actually Works And Anyone Who Says It Doesnt Can Contact Me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by shortbeast89

Hey guys,

My name's Aneel, and I'm in 4th year Commerce. I'm specializing in Accounting, and am going for a CA (Chartered Accounting) Designation. You might have heard of a firm called Deloitte; I'm working for that firm come September '10. Enough for introductions...

I see everyone hating on Action/College Pro, which is quite expected, and which is exactly the reaction that I received from everyone I talked to that "had heard from someone" or "read about it somewhere". When I found out I could get to run my own business (yes.. you don't work "for" Action/CollegePro.. you run your own business) I decided to not listen to all the people that told me it was so good and not listen to all the people that told me they'd rather have a job literally cleaning up shit.. I went and talked to people "DIRECTLY" that had run a(an) Mind Blowing/Amazing/Successfull/Alright/Not so Good/Bad/Shitty business. I knew what I was getting into.

Personally, I didn't do it for the money. I did it for the experience to get me to where I am now (working for Deloitte.. I've already had an internship with them).. Since the summer of 2008 I've constantly told all my friends.. "That was by far the best and the worst summer of my life" .. I have never learned so much about myself, my potential, and real life than I did that summer.. I hired people.. I fired people..I had great customers.. I had down right f**d up customers.. I met the hardest working people.. I met some quitters... Like I said at times I had the worst time. Whatever, it's a cliche but SO true.. "You gotta loose some to win some" .. I made sure I changed to loosin some to win a shit load.. and yea there were some people that lost money.. GET THIS.. My best friend owed Action money at the end of the summer but he'll tell you that he signed up to do something and it was exactly like he was told it was going to be and he didn't follow through..

Point Being ... Please talk directly with people who have been a part of it.. That is "THE ONLY" and YES ....... "THE ONLY" way for you to make up your mind... not GOOGLE... not your BEST FRIEND THAT HEARD FROM SOMEONE .... not that COOL GUY THAT CAN POUND 15 BEERS AT A PARTY WHO'S MET MANY PEOPLE THAT HAVE RUN THE BUSINESS..

Email - [email protected] il.com - ext. 56415 - I'm currently a CA in Brandon Hall on 10th Floor - Just another student at McMaster University - And I have nothing to do with Action whatsoever anymore..

p.s. I am where I am because of my experience with Action (Now College Pro Window Cleaning b/c they want their customers to be able to realize the College Pro and formerly Action Window Cleaning are under the same company) ... I'll be working Downtown Toronto for the biggest Accounting Firm in North America.. I went Sky Diving, Bungee Jumping, White Water Rafting, 3 free days in Bahamas, Partying in Collingwood, Toronto, Ottawa, London.. all because of Action.. and oh yes.. $13,000 profit over the summer.. too good to be true right.. you can shoot me an email or tell everyone how you read about this one kid who gave you "ALL THAT BULL SHIT" IN that previous three paragraphs..


If you really want to know you can have lunch with me sometime in MUSC and I can "FEED YOU MORE B.S." :p

Why don't you actually read the posts on this forum, by the many people who have personally worked for Action Pro?
Why do all these people attempting to defend the company say "You don't know because you aren't talking to anyone who has actually worked for the company!"

Um, yes, we are.

Other than that, your comments don't even mean anything. You didn't actually say anything useful. All you said was "My name is Aneel, I worked for College Pro, it was good and bad. And I'm going to work for the biggest accounting firm in Toronto next year!!"
What the hell does anything you said have to do with anything that has been said on this thread??

Read the posts or shut the hell up. Seriously.

Everyone needs to relax. Seriously. If you want to address this issue maturely, come to Executive Board tomorrow (Thursday) at 10:30AM in the MSU office Boardroom. If you want to bring forward facts and legitimate statements as to why ACTION or College Pro should be banned from campus, do so then.

The MSU rarely reads MacInsiders, but is going to address this issue tomorrow. Unless you have real facts (not just he said she said) then compile the names of actual employees and their stories so that some sort of validity can be maintained.

I hope to see a lot of you tomorrow. Please be mindful of the MSU office, it houses fulltime staff. If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me at your leisure (I was also an ACTION franchisee in 2007).

Originally Posted by Matt Wright

Everyone needs to relax. Seriously. If you want to address this issue maturely, come to Executive Board tomorrow (Thursday) at 10:30AM in the MSU office Boardroom. If you want to bring forward facts and legitimate statements as to why ACTION or College Pro should be banned from campus, do so then.

The MSU rarely reads MacInsiders, but is going to address this issue tomorrow. Unless you have real facts (not just he said she said) then compile the names of actual employees and their stories so that some sort of validity can be maintained.

I hope to see a lot of you tomorrow. Please be mindful of the MSU office, it houses fulltime staff. If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me at your leisure (I was also an ACTION franchisee in 2007).

Mr Wright I sent you a message regarding a couple of questions on the 5th via Insiders PM. Since it prompts you about a new message every time you access the Macinsiders main page; I assume you have read it. I still haven't received a reply and at the same time you are asking other people to do the same! How does that work out? :S

Similarly I don't think anyone here has suggested to "ban" them outright. Though that has been done at Texas State; I personally suggested at least not allowing them to illegally(they don't have permission from UA nor are they a campus group) waste lecture time and then to have a stance against their marketing policy and an inquiry into their tendency of targeting primarily first years.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall anyone else here saying "Ban" them; people are just "condemning" them generally and sharing their experiences for the lack of a better word.

Originally Posted by huzaifa47

Similarly I don't think anyone here has suggested to "ban" them outright. Though that has been done at Texas State; I personally suggested at least not allowing them to illegally(they don't have permission from UA nor are they a campus group) waste lecture time and then to have a stance against their marketing policy and an inquiry into their tendency of targeting primarily first years.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall anyone else here saying "Ban" them; people are just "condemning" them generally and sharing their experiences for the lack of a better word.

Originally Posted by sew12

Petition to ban these companies from advertising on campus?

...

I think it would be great if the University took action against banning unethical companies like this from being able to prey on their students.

Originally Posted by huzaifa47

... I requested two things: a) Lobby MUSC To Ban them and for Registars office to email the profs not to let them speak/distribute stuff in class b) I also thought option a might be rather harsh so I also suggested ...

Originally Posted by sew12

Matt as someone involved in the SRA how would we go about trying to get these companies banned from taking advantage of naive first years?

I just did a quick reread of the topic for people suggesting to "ban" the company from campus, and I cut out large chunks that weren't as relevant, but you should get the gist of that.

While I personally don't find these companies very pleasant, I also think you all are taking it a bit too far with regards to how you're treating fellow Mac students who are also here presenting their views and experiences. They just managed to have a really good one as opposed to a bad one, going against the norm. Their opinions obviously differ from everyone's here, and Temara, who has worked for one of these companies, has even stated that there were some who really enjoyed it. So what if they were tipped off by the company? At least they've admitted it, and they came of their free will (I'm assuming) to defend the company.

Also, I like how jade117's very rational posts have been mostly ignored. She had both a good and bad experience... so I think that's the most valuable viewpoint here.

And now I shall go back to lurking! I feel like I'm going to be attacked for my opinions on this matter, after all. The entire topic feels crazy vicious.

Iman wayy to misquote me! I did say that earlier on but the I explicitly said that I think in retrospect banning them would be rather unfair and extreme; even though once again I have done my research and have a couple of examples of where it was done! I changed my view to what is in my last post more then a day ago! I don't think any aspect of these companies is beneficial in the long run to "student interests" and the potential risks outweigh the potential(un-audited) to make money. These companies are corporations who will never naturally have student interests as their priority; you need to realize that, why you are supporting their illegal soliciting of students during lectures is beyond me! Plus they are preying on first years for a reason I have mentioned numerous times! They can do whatever they want at their tables in MUSC, but classrooms are not corporate free presentation venues!

Although, I had said that I knew people who've had good experiences, I have also said I knew many more who've had terrible ones. Being one of them and seemingly with nothing better to do, I wrote them down and sent them to the company in addition to posting them on Macinsiders and sending them to the MSU president.

The concern we have is all related to the interests of students, not how sketchy this company is or isn't, depending on who you ask.

I got an email back from the Vice President of College Pro that went over my concerns and attached some policies. I will post them here shortly as you seem to be unable to get them anywhere else. After reading over everything, I am now most concerned with the company's ability to ensure that these franchise managers are actually accountable to these policies. If the student manager is running his/her own business and seemingly 'on their own', how is this accountability maintained. In my case, as with many others, the managers were not accountable and students were put at risk. This is the concern I have. If you have had a good experience with them, then congratulations I guess?

As we were also asking for some statistical and financial back-up to their claims regarding sales, I was sent a spreadsheet regarding what had happened for the year that I was employed. These numbers were just as untrustworthy as what we were originally shown. I should really post this spreadsheet. I was astounded to see that this was what I was given from their Vice President. It didn't even explain what the values were a measure of. My crew apparently had a quality rating of 100%. However, I assure you that in actuality, no matter how hard we tried, it would have been no where close.

In the very least, corporations shouldn't be permitted in classrooms.

Originally Posted by temara.brown

In the very least, corporations shouldn't be permitted in classrooms.

This I can agree with.

I'm okay with them putting up posters if they're approved, but classroom announcements should always be related to the University.

Originally Posted by temara.brown

In the very least, corporations shouldn't be permitted in classrooms.

I agree with this sentiment 100%. Regardless, the business practices that College Pro (and all other affiliated companies) use are totally unethical and wrong.

I 100% support a ban. I don't want to see them around here any longer.

Plus the biggest point is that there is a massive massive loophole in the entire thing! See the franchise owners are supposed to adhere to policies(even though they are actually shorter and less comprehensive then my Training for min wage jobs at the relatively safe Shell and A&W) but there is no supervision nor is there anywhere on the policy that says that they will suffer consequences or fines if they fail to do so! If the MDP guy I talked to the other day was right the companies cannot "fire" franchises(though I'm not sure because he kept contradicting himself :S) and the worst they can do is "abandon them" whatever that means! Plus we must not ignore the fact that these policies were not on the website nor were they given out/provided to workers. They have only been obtained after Miss Brown emailed them and they were well aware of this thread.

Where does that lead the student workers? They are at the mercy of the Franchisees. The Franchise owners might be good people! But we must realize that they are at best second year students who have invested a good chunk of their money(For most it might be the first ever investment) and will be highly anxious to get as many sales & customers as they can; especially if you consider the fact that there are 3 companies competing for a region at a time! They will do their best to cut costs and might even quote a low rate! Similarly safety is time consuming and costly; who can guarantee that they will adhere to every single notion on the policy list or even minimum wage(A good example is franchisees quoting less hours to the customers then making the workers work more)? I can easily imagine the pressure. Hence the students suffer.

Originally Posted by Taunton

I agree with this sentiment 100%. Regardless, the business practices that College Pro (and all other affiliated companies) use are totally unethical and wrong.

I 100% support a ban. I don't want to see them around here any longer.

Thank you Mr Taunton for actually representing student long term interests and realizing the risk vs reality model of this whole thing.

That is much better then telling people to mature up and calm down and being inconsiderate to student experiences; No one is inclined to do serious research, nor should the be told to in order to back up their concerns. The last I checked we aren't in a forum to test out thesis statements! Student opinion is student opinion no matter how "immature" it might seem. Shouldn't it be the job of SRA reps to do the research and do their job instead of telling people to do that?

Its like the finance minister saying OH the economy is effed; dear citizens complaining about it; please present me with a 10 page argument on Friedman vs keynsian market systems! See what I mean?

Originally Posted by Fight0

This I can agree with.

I'm okay with them putting up posters if they're approved, but classroom announcements should always be related to the University.

Fact: Springmasters; Another Awesome company that people have had awesome experiences with posts up unapproved posters all over campus! Especially during the Spring term! At worst they face staff ripping them off! Which is like 5-6 Cents?