Is it true that Health Sci students have access to old finals for orgo chem despite the chem department's protests?

If it is true, then its reason enough to go into that program. Seriously.

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Originally Posted by arathbon

Is it true that Health Sci students have access to old finals for orgo chem despite the chem department's protests?

If it is true, then its reason enough to go into that program. Seriously.

either that or go into Life Sci and befriend a health sci or two

and my two cents for this discussion:

both are good programs- to reiterate what other people said, if you are 100% set on med school then go for health sci, if you want to keep your options open go for life sci.

IMO/ my suggestion is maybe start first year in life sci and see how much you like it (i.e. do you love it enough to go through with 8+ years of school and training) and if you answer yes to that then apply to transfer to health sci in second year- i believe 20-40 students are accepted to transfer and you need a minimum average of 9.5 and a supplementary application I believe. But if you enjoy the diversity of life sci then stick with it.

If you end up coming to mac there is also a group/club called the McMaster Medicine and Health Society- they have various presentations from med schools and other health related professional schools as well as the hospital has volunteer opportunities that can help you make your decision.

In my personal experience, I stuck with life sci since I liked the freedom in course choices and when 4th year comes in thesis options

Originally Posted by mlangille

apply to transfer to health sci in second year- i believe 20-40 students are accepted to transfer

I'm fairly sure its much less than that-this year I'm pretty sure we had 14 transfers.

Originally Posted by crazyfree

I'm fairly sure its much less than that-this year I'm pretty sure we had 14 transfers.

my mistake then- i was just going off what I was told my an academic advisor at the Associate Dean of Science office or might have that number mixed up with how many people are accepted into the Accelerated Nursing stream

Originally Posted by arathbon

Is it true that Health Sci students have access to old finals for orgo chem despite the chem department's protests?

If it is true, then its reason enough to go into that program. Seriously.

It is, my chem prof mentioned it a while back. Basically, Health Scis get access to LearnLink (its similar to Avenue), and they seem to get away with almost everything on it (Mac's baby program, right?). Like old exams that should not be floating around, as well as other less than honest things I've heard muttered about in lecture from time to time.

It's an unfair advantage, and I've heard talk from profs that it was supposed to be dismantled. Big surprise - it wasn't.

Originally Posted by mlangille

my mistake then- i was just going off what I was told my an academic advisor at the Associate Dean of Science office or might have that number mixed up with how many people are accepted into the Accelerated Nursing stream

Maybe you are right, I have no idea . I'm just going off of what I've heard/what happened this year.

Originally Posted by britb

It is, my chem prof mentioned it a while back. Basically, Health Scis get access to LearnLink (its similar to Avenue), and they seem to get away with almost everything on it (Mac's baby program, right?). Like old exams that should not be floating around, as well as other less than honest things I've heard muttered about in lecture from time to time.

It's an unfair advantage, and I've heard talk from profs that it was supposed to be dismantled. Big surprise - it wasn't.

My optometrist told me that that health science as a program is only here to make mac's medical school look good (i.e. the 'pre-med' vibe)

Edit: actually scratch that, it wasn't a professor, it was my optometrist

Originally Posted by britb

It is, my chem prof mentioned it a while back. Basically, Health Scis get access to LearnLink (its similar to Avenue), and they seem to get away with almost everything on it (Mac's baby program, right?). Like old exams that should not be floating around, as well as other less than honest things I've heard muttered about in lecture from time to time.

It's an unfair advantage, and I've heard talk from profs that it was supposed to be dismantled. Big surprise - it wasn't.

Using LearnLink is punishment enough- its super outdated software, with next to no functionality. Once all the features that A2L has are unlocked (right now there's a lot that are still closed), it will be a lot better than LearnLink.

I mean, don't get me wrong- the community aspects of it are kindof cool. But in terms of software design, its dreadful.

Originally Posted by Marlowe

Using LearnLink is punishment enough- its super outdated software, with next to no functionality. Once all the features that A2L has are unlocked (right now there's a lot that are still closed), it will be a lot better than LearnLink.

I mean, don't get me wrong- the community aspects of it are kindof cool. But in terms of software design, its dreadful.

This is true, I don't think many of us are directly hating on health sciences, we're just jealous that they get ANY type of truly unnecessary special treatment/advantage (as much as anyone would like to deny it). Personally I'm not sure why it matters, I've had a lot less issues with dipshitty HS students than I have with engineers and "ZOMG MED SK00L" LS/BIO students..

Originally Posted by Marlowe

Using LearnLink is punishment enough- its super outdated software, with next to no functionality. Once all the features that A2L has are unlocked (right now there's a lot that are still closed), it will be a lot better than LearnLink.

I mean, don't get me wrong- the community aspects of it are kindof cool. But in terms of software design, its dreadful.

really is that the issue here? the kids are in a way getting away with academic honesty and your concerned with the way the medium by which they're recieving the info, smh

Originally Posted by arathbon

Is it true that Health Sci students have access to old finals for orgo chem despite the chem department's protests?

If it is true, then its reason enough to go into that program. Seriously.

Yep, sadly it's true :(. An advantage for sure though!

Originally Posted by britb

It is, my chem prof mentioned it a while back. Basically, Health Scis get access to LearnLink (its similar to Avenue), and they seem to get away with almost everything on it (Mac's baby program, right?). Like old exams that should not be floating around, as well as other less than honest things I've heard muttered about in lecture from time to time.

It's an unfair advantage, and I've heard talk from profs that it was supposed to be dismantled. Big surprise - it wasn't.

I think the reason for this is because on LearnLink, we (the students) have access to a folder called "Health Sci Students Only", and through this, one can access said old tests. This folder supposedly cannot be accessed by the BHSc office staff or the faculty staff, so if the passing on of tests was supposed to be dismantled, it would be pretty difficult to do so.

In any case, I myself haven't used any of the old notes or tests that have been posted on LearnLink, as I personally think it's unfair for me to have such a significant advantage over other students. So far I've only used the old tests that the professors themselves have posted on their websites (I'm talking about non-Health Sci courses like Math 1A03 and Chem 1A03), which all students in the course have access to.

However, I can't speak for all BHSc students.

1. In my Medical Class in Toronto, we have about 20 Mac Health Sci Students, out of 224. The rest are mainly science students from other Universities.
2. The Health Science program, despite the concerns of spoon feeding/easy marks, is excellent preparation for medical school. The courses very relevant, especially health policy and anatomy and physiology, which you won't get much of in Life Sci.

Originally Posted by Carefree

1. In my Medical Class in Toronto, we have about 20 Mac Health Sci Students, out of 224. The rest are mainly science students from other Universities.
2. The Health Science program, despite the concerns of spoon feeding/easy marks, is excellent preparation for medical school. The courses very relevant, especially health policy and anatomy and physiology, which you won't get much of in Life Sci.

True, unless you take kinesiology, anatomy/physiology and the odd upper year health science course. It REALLY doesn't take much to learn anatomy/physiology properly and to apply it if you're willing to invest in some models/take courses that give you access to cadavers, and health policy is often ignorable

It really does depend on the person, but I see what you're saying.