You have to understand how Microsoft works. Microsoft will fix code with even more code. It's kinda like getting a cut, then putting a band-aid on it. If that band-aid starts peeling or isn't enough, naturally you would replace the band-aid. Microsoft will will just use a bigger band-aid and just keep going.

8.1 will probably be an update and will fix the current code with even more code.

Originally Posted by jhehe

You have to understand how Microsoft works. Microsoft will fix code with even more code. It's kinda like getting a cut, then putting a band-aid on it. If that band-aid starts peeling or isn't enough, naturally you would replace the band-aid. Microsoft will will just use a bigger band-aid and just keep going.

8.1 will probably be an update and will fix the current code with even more code.

Ironically however windows 8 is by far the most efficient and fastest version of windows, even on XP level hardware. People give MS shit for "inefficient coding practices" etc and have little or no idea what they are talking about. Even compared to the latest MacOS, Windows 8 is quite efficient, especially considering that it must have support for a lot more (non-optimized) hardware.

Most of the people I hear complaining about MS bad coding are either:
1) are old (and still consider XP the norm)
2) have Vista (A massive backend change that MS pushed out too quickly)
3) are journalists (or others) with some coding experience but have never coded Enterprise Level Applications and therefore know nothing.

That said I hate Win8 User Interface. But the backend is great.

I've warmed up to Win 8. It's a good OS. Even the metro isn't that much of a pain, and I still have the core functionality I needed in 7. I originally hated on Win 8, but I was wrong about that. Haven't had a single issue.

Originally Posted by qwerty91

Most of the people I hear complaining about MS bad coding are either:
1) are old (and still consider XP the norm)
2) have Vista (A massive backend change that MS pushed out too quickly)
3) are journalists (or others) with some coding experience but have never coded Enterprise Level Applications and therefore know nothing.

4) Are familiar with coding and realize that Windows is pretty much entirely a giant pile of proprietary bullshit with an overly complicated internal structure. Most enterprise level software is definitely not coded with Visual Studio, if that's what was being hinted at.

I won't lie, it's definitely gotten better since XP (yes, XP sucked too), but it still overall sucks. I expect the OS to experience a gradual death as people slowly drift away to OS X and Linux. Nobody seems to care about the mobile devices or tablets for the most part, and Steam seems to be paving way for moving Game development away from DirectX and into OpenGL.

Originally Posted by Ownaginatios

Most enterprise level software is definitely not coded with Visual Studio, if that's what was being hinted at.

Na I meant more about scale. Client and mobile applications are tiny in scope and complexity compared to the highly modular paradigms of Enterprise programming.

While visual studio itself is a fairly nice IDE, im not a big fan of Microsoft's languages. I was more hinting at J2EE

MY Philosophy for Windows 8/ 8.1/ 8.1 Pro, etc

-If you are currently running XP, you should upgrade to 8.1, since XP will be phased out by MS soon.
-If you are running Windows ME, good heavens, upgrade NOW> do it NOW.
-If you are running Windows Vista, why are you running still running it and not upgrading to 7 or 8.1?
-If you are running Windows 7...IF it AIN'T broken DON't FIX IT(don't upgrade to 8.1, no need really).

I agree with you guys that Windows 8 is bad but it truly has done wonders for my laptop. My laptop used to take more than 5 mins to start up and to open a single program, now with windows 8 it boots almost instantly and I can go to Desktop mode in less than 1 min.

Even though I agree the tiles thing are really annoying if you don't have a touch screen and the rest of the interface isn't the best, if you are using it on an older laptop and not doing anything complicated, it does make the computer run much faster and can help extend the usefulness of an older laptop pretty easily

Originally Posted by Snowman

I agree with you guys that Windows 8 is bad but it truly has done wonders for my laptop. My laptop used to take more than 5 mins to start up and to open a single program, now with windows 8 it boots almost instantly and I can go to Desktop mode in less than 1 min.

Even though I agree the tiles thing are really annoying if you don't have a touch screen and the rest of the interface isn't the best, if you are using it on an older laptop and not doing anything complicated, it does make the computer run much faster and can help extend the usefulness of an older laptop pretty easily

Were you running an SSD prior to downgrading to Windows 8?

Were you running an SSD prior to downgrading to Windows 8?

Maybe he's talking about that new sleep mode, where windows 8 doesn't really turn off, just saves the session and goes into this advanced hibernation mode, so when you turn it on, it just loads the session up, instead of running the whole start up from scratch.

I heard Windows haters complain about it, but I think it's neat, as an end-user I don't care what my machine does to start up faster, as long as I get what I want.

Originally Posted by MrPlinkett

Maybe he's talking about that new sleep mode, where windows 8 doesn't really turn off, just saves the session and goes into this advanced hibernation mode, so when you turn it on, it just loads the session up, instead of running the whole start up from scratch.

I heard Windows haters complain about it, but I think it's neat, as an end-user I don't care what my machine does to start up faster, as long as I get what I want.

Nope I do a full shut down every time. It just starts up... faster. But I agree as long as it starts up faster, I don't really care how

Heh, got free Windows 8.1 on Dreamspark (CAS students )

Originally Posted by Snowman

Nope I do a full shut down every time. It just starts up... faster. But I agree as long as it starts up faster, I don't really care how

Windows 8 only ever does a full shutdown if you restart the computer, the normal shutdown is now an advanced hibernation with near 0 power draw (hence the super quick start ups).

It doesn't really matter though, to most end users the new way it shuts down makes Windows 8 feel a lot faster than Windows 7 and if you install something like Classic Shell to get rid of the Metro screen Windows 8 is basically a faster Windows 7 with a few new features (Improved copy dialog, improved task manager, ribbon in file explorer, file history, etc).

If Microsoft hadn't tried to force the Metro start screen down everyone's throats and used that effort to add a few more features to Windows 8 that people actually want, the OS would be pretty damn good.

Originally Posted by qwerty91

Ironically however windows 8 is by far the most efficient and fastest version of windows, even on XP level hardware. People give MS shit for "inefficient coding practices" etc and have little or no idea what they are talking about. Even compared to the latest MacOS, Windows 8 is quite efficient, especially considering that it must have support for a lot more (non-optimized) hardware.

Most of the people I hear complaining about MS bad coding are either:
1) are old (and still consider XP the norm)
2) have Vista (A massive backend change that MS pushed out too quickly)
3) are journalists (or others) with some coding experience but have never coded Enterprise Level Applications and therefore know nothing.

That said I hate Win8 User Interface. But the backend is great.

lol, you're joks