Originally Posted by thedog123123

campus health service shouldn't have to lose money for your pleasure even if it is to encourage safer sex.

Contraceptives like the pill are not always used to prevent pregnancy. Many women used them to regulate their periods or help decrease acne. When I was in high school a girl had to go on the pill simply because she was 17 and hadn't gotten a period yet.


I would really like to see something done about this, as someone who uses that particular campus health service, and I'd be willing to help out in any way I can. I'm not familiar with how these things are done, so do we petition the MSU? Campus Health? Where's Joe Finkle when I need him?

I'm really not sure how the protocol is for things like this, so it's a longshot, but...Are any of the financial documents for student services public domain?

Perhaps if we could crunch some numbers and work something cost effective out, they'd be more inclined to reinstate the service. If we could see how many people use the service regularly, and see if it's poor marketting, or perhaps they need to increase the price slightly (which would still be a discount, mind you).

What I do know about the situation is NOT official, only what I've talked to the nurses/doctors there about. They had to change my contraceptive brand a couple of times because of the manufacturer of the product. It is my understanding that the if the particular brand is doing well on the market then the manufacturer is reluctant to sell it to Campus Health at a discount and so it is no longer available. All of those girls on that particular brand have to be switched to another brand. It could be that the manufacturers are not doing well in sales and thus are no longer willing to part with their merch at a discount.

I'm going to msg one of the SRA members, see what he has to say, perhaps he can give us some direction.

Aaaaand...it`s dead
Nobody want to do something about this? Any news?

Originally Posted by adrian

Aaaaand...it`s dead
Nobody want to do something about this? Any news?

Welcome to McMaster!

Or should I say real life?

Alot of people complain and diss and generally whine about how everyone is selfish/incompetent and how they are getting the worse end of every bargain but not everyone wants to do anything about it, slowly and gradually humanity imo is losing that quality in themselves!

"We must be the change we wish to see in the world.
Gandhi"

So very true!

For example there was a 700 post thread this year about SOLAR, yet no one wants to provide something constructive to it when I tried doing something rather then nothing! :( http://www.macinsiders.com/showthread.php?t=2258 8&
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Anyways I would suggest you contact the Vp Admin([email protected] aster.ca) to see what his opinions regarding the MSU lobbying the Student Affairs to reconsider their descision is! The other option is to start a facebook group with the customary petition, people join it rant/complain but eventually it fizzles out and nothing gets done!

The MSU is pretty much all I can think of right now who could do somethig, the admin itself is protected by miles of red tape, I have been blocked of on a few occasions where I have tried to get in touch with people in the Fortresses. I think they prefer it stays that way!

I msg the humanities SRA Joe Finkle, I haven't heard anything back from him.

Originally Posted by lorend

This also means that contraceptives will still be available at the pharmacy in MUSC beside the dentists and the photo place formally called Jostens.

Side note: please tell me they have moved the cash register to the back instead of the front of the pharmacy? I don't like buying my ... personal items ... as everyone walking by in the student centre can see.

Originally Posted by HeatherH

Side note: please tell me they have moved the cash register to the back instead of the front of the pharmacy? I don't like buying my ... personal items ... as everyone walking by in the student centre can see.

lol yes, theres a cash in the back

will try to contact that person when I get some time. Currently not at Mac and still trying to complete my OSAP app.

Originally Posted by huzaifa47

For example there was a 700 post thread this year about SOLAR, yet no one wants to provide something constructive to it when I tried doing something rather then nothing! :( http://www.macinsiders.com/showthread.php?t=2258 8&
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The problem is that even though you've taken it upon yourself, no one else has done so, not because they're lazy and thoughtless, but because no one has the charisma...if I understand correctly, here's your problem with people:

People aren't taking action. Since I'm charismatic, and thus everyone can be this charismatic, anyone who isn't, simply isn't trying very hard. Call it the bystander effect, or whatever you want, but everyone assumes 'someone else will do it.'

The problem is, not everyone is as charismatic. We figuratively "measure others by our own meter stick." Liars are inclined to believe others are lying and hence be paranoid, while honest people are inclined to be gullible, and so forth.

In reality, I think it's a matter of skill. Personally, I'd like to think I do what I do well...it's just that it isn't politics. If everyone was a born political leader, who would be the political followers?

Originally Posted by Mowicz

The problem is that even though you've taken it upon yourself, no one else has done so, not because they're lazy and thoughtless, but because no one has the charisma...if I understand correctly, here's your problem with people:

People aren't taking action. Since I'm charismatic, and thus everyone can be this charismatic, anyone who isn't, simply isn't trying very hard. Call it the bystander effect, or whatever you want, but everyone assumes 'someone else will do it.'

The problem is, not everyone is as charismatic. We figuratively "measure others by our own meter stick." Liars are inclined to believe others are lying and hence be paranoid, while honest people are inclined to be gullible, and so forth.

In reality, I think it's a matter of skill. Personally, I'd like to think I do what I do well...it's just that it isn't politics. If everyone was a born political leader, who would be the political followers?

I understand, you do have a very vaild point here; people are good at different things. But I'll be very honest with you, I really don't think I have charisma or political machinery built into me by nature, infact for people who know me irl I will say I am far far away from the common stereotypical politician(ie your BOD and SRA members for example). It was just that I come from a different background(The Malaligned and Messed up Pakistan) in which I was "concious" enough to realize the myraid of problems faced by society and how politicans were there for nothing but personal agenda. In other words I don't have the same suburban bubble upbringing in the relatively crime/violence free and economically sound Canada where people mellow down into a state where they are satisfied with how things are going and never really notice anything wrong with society.

I'm not exactly sure how to explain but all that molded in me a desire to be a utilitarian and a reincarnation of the Protestan Work ethic, that is IT! Infact if you read these forums enough you'll realize that I just tend say things how I see them bluntly and envision a utopic solution for it: That infact is just about the last thing good Politicians do!

But I'm not asking people to take action alongside me and be "leaders", I've just started my third major initiative in four months as a lowly member of MSU political system because I feel that is much more prudent then just complaining, arguing and generally wasting time one way or the other like politicians normally do; I have heard that within the MSU alot of goals and projects are enthusiastically made at the start of the year and eventually nothing gets done! I don't really know why :S
Infact one of the things I'm working on right now has been thereabouts for years, over and over new batches of politicans have said "we must achieve this, we must acheive that" but they never end up doing and that is a paraphrase from a full time MSU employee of 10+ years who has seen this over the years!

All I ask for is their opinion on the issues, I am not smarter or more articulate then them; I dunno its probably just that people find it harder to constructively criticize?

I mean if you have the time and inclination to criticize and complain for around 800 posts about SOLAR can't you articulate a few lines for someone who is actually trying to get something done about it? I'll do the rest, the writing down the policy and talking to the registrars office/admin and the BOD and so on.

I believe if a private citizen is able to affect public opinion in a constructive way he doesn't have to be an elected public servant to perform a public service. Warren Beaty

There's definitely no reason to get excited over it...

All I'm saying is either:
-you have drive in an area that is uncommon to most people (using this board as a sample), and so you should cut people some slack before declaring them idiots with no drive....or
-the world is full of idiots who have no drive in anything

How many other 'lowly members of the MSU' have started even one initiative on this site?

Think about it.

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EDIT: By the way, I'm deliberately not adding my input to your initiative because, to paraphrase your own words, I'm good with numbers, but things in the real world escape me a little bit (which has reasonable truth to it).

EDIT 2: To clarify: Not out of spite...I'm saying I'm not good at political things.

I am sorry, I wrote a reply to Kokoas message but I guess it didnt sent.
The best I can advise is to start writing emails.
Campus Health is not an MSU service and so we cannot directly change anything there, but we can defs lobby (thats what we do, we help stuents).
So, contact Campus Health and tell them how much this is affecting you, your friends, etc.
Also, you can contact your SRA member or SRA Caucus leader (check the MSU Website for their emails) and they can lobby on your behalf.
Also also, the best SRA committee to get in touch with is University Affairs, they deal with the university.
I hope this helps!

Originally Posted by finklej

I am sorry, I wrote a reply to Kokoas message but I guess it didnt sent.
The best I can advise is to start writing emails.
Campus Health is not an MSU service and so we cannot directly change anything there, but we can defs lobby (thats what we do, we help stuents).
So, contact Campus Health and tell them how much this is affecting you, your friends, etc.
Also, you can contact your SRA member or SRA Caucus leader (check the MSU Website for their emails) and they can lobby on your behalf.
Also also, the best SRA committee to get in touch with is University Affairs, they deal with the university.
I hope this helps!

Cool, thanks. Once I get all my Uni. stuff done(OSAP, payment, etc.) Ill do this.

Originally Posted by Mowicz

There's definitely no reason to get excited over it...

All I'm saying is either:
-you have drive in an area that is uncommon to most people (using this board as a sample), and so you should cut people some slack before declaring them idiots with no drive....or
-the world is full of idiots who have no drive in anything

How many other 'lowly members of the MSU' have started even one initiative on this site?

Think about it.

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EDIT: By the way, I'm deliberately not adding my input to your initiative because, to paraphrase your own words, I'm good with numbers, but things in the real world escape me a little bit (which has reasonable truth to it).

EDIT 2: To clarify: Not out of spite...I'm saying I'm not good at political things.

lol I definitely do get your point, but just to clarify I didn't mean they were "idiots" per se, I'm suggesting more along the lines of complacent or as alot of student politicans would say "apathetic", but then again event the label of apathy is contested by some people, they advocate that everyone does have an opinion/constructive ideas but they don't get them out there for some reason; which is totally understandable given the fact that people have other "stuff" to worry about probably :S

But dunno, maybe my habit seeing flaws in things and "immediately" looking for solutions to it is something uncommon? Probably not everyone tends to look at how it can be improved and focuses too much on what is wrong? Grr Dunno I only wish I could see things from other people's perspectives and find out what makes them tick :S

I understand Edit #1 as well, for example I still haven't understood the rationale behind that numerical riddle even after your explanation, even though I can solve the question itself! That comes naturally to you though.

Oh Well.