Originally Posted by lorend

It is something that can be brought forward to the SRA, yes. But I'm not sure if it's "too late" for this year or not.

Possibly. Maybe something could be organized through SHEC.

Originally Posted by huzaifa47

lol! It shouldn't be, but it normally is! Thats just the way things work in the patriachal society of ours. Its simple, the guy doesn't suffer any consequences from having unprotected sex(assuming the female doesn't have any Stds/Aids) and he walks away. Even if the girl does get pregnant there is no way she can impose the pregnancy on the guy she randomly met while intoxicated at a bar. That is why indirectly as sad as it is, responsibility lies in the hands of females.
*waits to be slaughtered by the feminist battalion *

I'm not a feminist. Heck, I can't even stand women's studies courses. I'm always first to stand up for guys. I don't understand why people are assuming that only whores get pregnant. Believe it or not, however, sometimes people who are in relationships have children. You can't assume that women only get pregnant from a result of a drunken bar night. Also, if the guy doesn't want to take responsibility over the baby, why does the woman have to? If a woman wants to have an abortion, she should be allowed to because it's her body.

Originally Posted by ferreinm

If a woman wants to have an abortion, she should be allowed to because it's her body.

Please let's not go this far off-topic. :0!

**DISASTER-WARNING** (lol...and I don't mean from me)

Originally Posted by huzaifa47

It doesn't directly imply that they are stupid, just that they are "human". Why Do people smoke, do drugs and drink till they are wayyy over wasted? Is that rational? No. The body is a slave to their urges more often then not! Well atleast that's just my view of it! I don't think people will make the extra effort to obtain BC at higher prices from off campus sources.

Also people at bars are normally hammered, it brings down the rationality meter even down! I don't think there is an accurate spreadsheet that can predict human behaviour under those circumstances!

Well, drinking can't really be blamed for someone not taking birth control... although it can definitely be blamed for people not using a condom. People not knowing their limits is definitely their own fault though.

Regardless, I can not agree with you that people wouldn't make the extra effort to obtain birth control. The pharmacy in the student centre would still be selling it, so it isn't a question of going off campus. The only issue is the price. Now I know nothing of Birth Control prices, but I doubt the pharmacy charges a completely unreasonable amount. It would roughly be the same as what people pay during the summer, no?

Originally Posted by huzaifa47

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@Andrew: You are assuming that the budget for Campus Health is constant and that money "Saved" here would be allocated somewhere else, I'm not so sure. Campus health is a subdivision of the Student Affairs section of the Administration where a huge chunk of our tuition goes, chances are that the budget has been cut from the Student Affairs; the summary of the story? Blame the Admin (Obviously based on the rationale that the budget assumptions are true!) Also on the contrary to what you are saying the very fact that it is a "health service" means that unlike a buisness they cannot cut costs and shut down operations if they feel so. They should be able to demand more money from the multi million student affairs division!

Fair enough, but Student Affairs needs to keep costs under control as well. Not being a business doesn't mean that they should be financially irresponsible.
I would hope that every division of Student Affairs is trying to keep costs under control. Absorbing part of the cost of birth control doesn't seem to be a hugely important service, at least in my eyes.

So, is Campus Health pretty much just a clinic on campus? If so, why is it being covered by Student Affairs instead of by the province like every other clinic?

Originally Posted by ferreinm

If a woman wants to have an abortion, she should be allowed to because it's her body.

*winces*

Please. No. Stop.

Online discussions about abortion never go anywhere good.

Originally Posted by Geek

*winces*

Please. No. Stop.

Online discussions about abortion never go anywhere good.

I wasn't going to discuss abortion. However, I still think there have been numerous highly disrespectful things assumed within this forum. I'm all for people having opinions but if you're gonna say shit back it up with proof. Don't just assume it's always the woman's fault if she gets pregnant and that it happened as a result of intoxication.

Originally Posted by DannyV

Possibly. Maybe something could be organized through SHEC.

Hmm, so how are we organizing this then? I'm in for helping however I can.

Originally Posted by ferreinm

I wasn't going to discuss abortion. However, I still think there have been numerous highly disrespectful things assumed within this forum. I'm all for people having opinions but if you're gonna say shit back it up with proof. Don't just assume it's always the woman's fault if she gets pregnant and that it happened as a result of intoxication.

I appreciate that you were offended, infact, I'm sorry you were...and I acknowledge that you have an opinion and you're affirming that you won't back down on that opinion...

But why does everyone have to deal with that? That's not what macinsiders is for and it shouldn't have really entered the picture in the first place.

There are highly disrespectful things all over society, no matter what perspective you choose...and quite frankly, it's not your responsibility to set everyone straight if you will, on this forum. So again, you have an opinion, you're showing us it's a strong opinion, but we should all just drop this now before someone gets upset.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Originally Posted by Mowicz

That's not what macinsiders is for

Sorry, what's it for then, if not open discussion?

I'll just go and delete my divacup post if that's not relevant either....

(ps. you dont have to read or agree with every thread)

Well, it is technically supposed to be discussions relating to McMaster and McMaster life, to the best of my knowledge. But its not like its a huge deal to have a couple of off topic threads. Keeps things more interesting.

I like the idea of maybe looking into something with the msu. Someone had mentioned this to me before... we were wondering why the health plan didn't cover it and we wished it did.

Originally Posted by A.Marlowe

Well, it is technically supposed to be discussions relating to McMaster and McMaster life, to the best of my knowledge. But its not like its a huge deal to have a couple of off topic threads. Keeps things more interesting.

Arent these discussions about our lives? McMaster life?

Don't make that one of your main points if you're going to go back on it like that.

Originally Posted by micadjems

Arent these discussions about our lives? McMaster life?

Don't make that one of your main points if you're going to go back on it like that.

Main points for what?

All I was saying was that this site is a forum for McMaster related things, but that a couple of threads not relating to McMaster isn't going to hurt anyone.

Originally Posted by micadjems

Sorry, what's it for then, if not open discussion?

If macinsiders is for posting offensive discussion material, then I am in the wrong place and shall leave promptly.

Let's look at the forum names:

First Year Questions
General Discussion
Academics
Residence Talk
Course Reviews
Student Deals and Discounts

Where's the 'controversial discussion' forum?

I wouldn't be making a big deal out of this if it wasn't going to lead to someone getting pissed off or hurt.

(ps. you dont have to read or agree with every thread)

No, but then this isn't an abortion thread, it's a "contraceptives as a student service" thread.

If you go and make an abortion thread for the purposes of an abortion discussion, then I wouldn't read it if I were to take offense. Plus that way I won't be missing out on discussing a relevant issue...It's not my fault a thread which should be neutral, is (hopefully was) heading toward a battleground-esque argument.

Please let me remind users to go back to the issue at hand, which is that Campus Health is no longer offering low-cost contraceptive pills to students.

Thanks,
Danielle
MacInsiders VP Admin