Originally Posted by lawleypop

I remember learning about this in grade 12 law (briefly) so someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

Drunkeness can be used as a defense if it can be proven that you were so drunk that you lacked any sort of judgement and you lacked the mens rea. Being drunk to an extreme point is a defense if you can prove that you had absolutely no intention of doing it.
Of course, drunkeness can't be used as a defense if you caused pain to another person, in this case, he did.

And I don't believe he was drunk to this extreme....

So no, he can't use drunkenness as a defence.

Just a question... he's suspended.. but that means he's expelled, right? Nothing would baffle me more if he wasn't..

i feel like if he tried to get drunk, so the drunkenness is his fault , it can't be a defence... but again, I really dont remember that much from that class..

What program is (was) he in?

Originally Posted by kokosas

I don't think they can officially expel him until he's been convicted, he's only been charged right now

Does charged imply that he's been proven guilty? If no, why is bail necessary? I thought you couldn't go to jail unless been proven guilty.

I have no idea how the legal systems work

If he can't have contact with students or teachers, but isn't officially expelled, doesn't this mean he still has access to online lectures, webct, etc, and can still participate?

Originally Posted by lawleypop

Does charged imply that he's been proven guilty? If no, why is bail necessary? I thought you couldn't go to jail unless been proven guilty.

I have no idea how the legal systems work

If he can't have contact with students or teachers, but isn't officially expelled, doesn't this mean he still has access to online lectures, webct, etc, and can still participate?

He's been suspended which means that he shouldn't have anything to do with the school period. I'm sure he still has access to online stuff though, although he wouldn't be allowed to post on things like learn link and webct

Charged means that they have enough evidence that they believe will convict him. He has to go to court before he can be convicted. His first court appearance is set to Dec 16th. He hasn't gone to jail yet, but he was detained, that is not the same thing as going to jail. A bail is set to ensure that the accused does not run. In this case, his parents posted the 50 grand for him, they are legally responsible to see to it that he shows up for his court dates and adheres to his bail conditions (one of which is to not have any contact with Mac students or staff).

Originally Posted by kokosas

He's been suspended which means that he shouldn't have anything to do with the school period. I'm sure he still has access to online stuff though, although he wouldn't be allowed to post on things like learn link and webct

Charged means that they have enough evidence that they believe will convict him. He has to go to court before he can be convicted. His first court appearance is set to Dec 16th. He hasn't gone to jail yet, but he was detained, that is not the same thing as going to jail. A bail is set to ensure that the accused does not run. In this case, his parents posted the 50 grand for him, they are legally responsible to see to it that he shows up for his court dates and adheres to his bail conditions (one of which is to not have any contact with Mac students or staff).

Thanks for the clarification

Well... the first part of that bail would be to take his friggin facebook page down... lol

You would think wouldn't you? As long as he doesn't reply, I don't think he'll get in trouble

When I found out his name, I immediately went to facebook to see what kind of a person he is. Sure enough, he looks like a fool. I'm glad they caught him and I love the spectacle of his downfall. Sucks to be you, Emerson!

I'm pretty sure that his Facebook profile is the least of his worries right now. Felony charges would rank higher on my list of worries.

As a forewarning, I wanted to remind all members that MacInsiders does not tolerate personal attacks or threats made in our forums. If any of these types of posts are made, which has not happened yet, they will be removed. Thanks everyone!

Note: Emerson has been charged but not yet convicted. Whether he is guilty or not is still to be determined in court.

As staff have mentioned, we recommend you do not post on his Facebook wall or try to contact him.

Originally Posted by Chad

As a forewarning, I wanted to remind all members that MacInsiders does not tolerate personal attacks or threats made in our forums. If any of these types of posts are made, which has not happened yet, they will be removed. Thanks everyone!

Note: Emerson has been charged but not yet convicted. Whether he is guilty or not is still to be determined in court.

As staff have mentioned, we recommend you do not post on his Facebook wall or try to contact him.

There's no "Facebook police" who can get you in trouble for posting on his wall.

Also, in the court of public opinion, he's already guilty, so his conviction is a moot point.

I also haven't seen any bashings or threats on this page. Since he's an arsonist, he should be more worried about what's going to happen to him in jail. He better get used to bending over.

Originally Posted by Alistair

There's no "Facebook police" who can get you in trouble for posting on his wall.

Also, in the court of public opinion, he's already guilty, so his conviction is a moot point.

I also haven't seen any bashings or threats on this page. Since he's an arsonist, he should be more worried about what's going to happen to him in jail. He better get used to bending over.

lol...well said

@Alistair:
No bashing or threats have happened yet, and I'm grateful to see that users are following the forum rules. It was just a reminder in case anyone may be thinking of posting something that would break those rules, as it would be deleted.

Thanks everyone for sticking to the forum rules!

What if people post threats on his wall...
And later he is found not guilty.
Does that mean the people who threatened him go to jail for threatening him?

P.S.
What do you get by threatening him?

Maybe whoever does that is just trying to act brave cause they know he won't reply. LOL..GET A LIFE!

Originally Posted by aj-maxx

What if people post threats on his wall...
And later he is found not guilty.
Does that mean the people who threatened him go to jail for threatening him?

P.S.
What do you get by threatening him?

Maybe whoever does that is just trying to act brave cause they know he won't reply. LOL..GET A LIFE!

why do that you say? for lulz of course! but then again we all saw how well that works.
All I have to say is that if he is guilty I hope he had a nice life, cuz mommy and daddy aren't gonna protect him from Bubba in jail.
Cheers,
Adrian

Originally Posted by aj-maxx

What if people post threats on his wall...
And later he is found not guilty.
Does that mean the people who threatened him go to jail for threatening him?

P.S.
What do you get by threatening him?

Maybe whoever does that is just trying to act brave cause they know he won't reply. LOL..GET A LIFE!

No one who's written on his wall has actually theatened him. Insulted yes, but threatened, no. I think people know there's no point in threatening him.

Telling him off, however....